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04 September 2004 @ 10:36 pm
Where's the brotherly love?  
Since my other topic got swamped by people going "this person will die NO NO I'LL KILL MYSELF AND TAKE BONES WITH ME," I hope no one minds if I make another one. ^^;
I've been thinking over the last few episodes of the anime, and realized that there's been a severe lack of brotherly love.
At first I was thrilled by Al going solo, but look at how that turned out. Ed and Al just aren't on the same level anymore. They haven't been sharing information. They're messing up each other's plans.
Ed has apparently put restoring their bodies on hold to go psycho Homonculus Hunter on us. Al is like "oh, these people just want to use me but I'll trust them anyway." Leaving Ed to go "D'oh! Al, WTF do you think you're doing? You used up half of the Philosopher's Stone!"
The thing is that Al might not have gone to seek Tucker's help if Ed just told him what he's planning and what's going on. Sure Al is in danger, but he has a right to know when anyone goes digging through his mother's grave. "Just sit there and be quiet," Ed says, "and I'll take care of everything because I'm the older brother."
Come on. You're only older by one year. Al isn't an idiot. They'd been doing fine when they were in things together, but recently they've been splitting apart, and frankly I'm worried.
This all started when Al became the Philosopher's Stone. They can't even touch each other now! And then they meet up with daddy. Just look at Ed's face when Al went camping with Hohenheim. He looked...abandoned. They can't agree on what to think of their father, and now they're mixed up about their Homonculus mother (so to speak). This isn't just a simple fight between siblings. Someone is going to get hurt if they don't get themselves straightened out.
Already we have a sort of casualty: Lust. I was screaming at Ed to go save her when she let out that screech, but nooooo, Ed was too busy getting Sloth out of Al's body.
Speaking of which, surprisingly I didn't sense very much angst during the Sloth fiasco, Bratja or no Bratja. Maybe it's because Sloth had little personality to begin with, but it all felt quite sudden.
Anyway, just some thoughts. Anyone agree/disagree?
Current Mood: contemplativecontemplative
Current Music: "Rewrite" from FMA
ジェニイ 「Jenny」kirchu on September 4th, 2004 08:18 pm (UTC)
I seem to agree with you. And I'm worried too. x_x;
Poison Envy: Hold mewinter_ruins on September 4th, 2004 08:22 pm (UTC)
I agree with you, too. It wasn't so much as when Al became the Philosopher's Stone. Sure, they couldn't touch eachother then, but it didn't make a big riff. It was when their father returned, and Al 'chose his father who he didn't even know over his older brother who had been with him his whole life', as Ed probably sees it. That's when things started to go bad.

I'm worried as well. <33
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on September 4th, 2004 08:38 pm (UTC)
I saw Al picking his father over his brother the breaking point, but I kind of see the Philospher's Stone deal as a hint things were going to degrade. I didn't worry too much right then...but now I do. All Ed did is snarl at Al. We're far from the 'you touch Al and me kill you!' trip he did on Greed. X_X

But, it was still a good point when they slung the desks together to do the array. That's it boys, work together again.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE! [fullmetal alcshinraisei on September 4th, 2004 09:01 pm (UTC)
Regarding to the small tag-team moment I felt that they *might* start becoming close again when they did something they hadn't done together in years, an alchemization (or transmutation *shrugs*). No clappy dramaticness just the two; Ed drawing the circle, Al slamming the desks together and BAM the two putting thier hands on the circle to preform a transmutation.

Probably the only brotherly moment we'll see for the remainder of the series?

But yeah, they've become way too distant not even the preview seemed to suggest the participation of Al pulling a face much like Izumi's and Ed's. (Unless the two did the whole 'Al did you see the truth?', 'What about cool hands' *Ed imitates Izumi* Al: 'Uhm...°_°' thing...I can't recall if they had a whole discussion on Al's memory loss back in episodes 28-34-ish with Izumi they probably did)

You're the first person I've seen use the Russian title of that song. XD
Cynthiacsakuras on September 4th, 2004 09:30 pm (UTC)
I like how it sounds in Russian. ^^
Ironic how they used that song in this specific episode, when all the brothers did was trip each other up (other than the table thing, which made me happy).
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on September 4th, 2004 09:04 pm (UTC)
This struck me first and foremost out of the whole speal, and I want to address it first before I forget.

Just look at Ed's face when Al went camping with Hohenheim. He looked...abandoned.

That's such an accurate description; he was, it's very sad. Ed's very narrow minded sometimes, we can all see that, and to have Al (who's been the focus of the last 4-ish years of his life) suddenly get up and walk off with someone whom Ed has stuck the blame on for the misery of the person he loved the most (his mother) must have absolutely broken his heart. We don't see Ed upset anymore, we don't see him cry (it's been years since Nina), he holds it all inside in some built up ball of rage. Now, the only person who even listened to him and he felt comfortable talking to has walked away on him. What little bit of his morality Al's presence was having on Ed walked away with him.

Now begins Homunclus Hunter Ed. Perhaps, in his mind, the death of Sloth might be symbolic in that he will distroy the thing which represents what they've done to ruin their lives. Once that is gone, they can try again to get Al's body back because they cannot be haunted (distracted?) by anything - he can regain some sort of focus in his life which he's loosing.

So, Ed stopped talking to Al. In Ed's little mind, Al betrayed his trust when he "sided" with his father. He'd rather rely on his own self than his brother's since some part of his mind is telling him he can't trust Al anymore. We all know how Ed feels towards his father (strong feelings too), and when Al wanted to get to know and become friends with this "horrible" man, Ed's feelings of distrust for his father transfered to Al as a result. It wasn't intentional, it's just human nature (especially for a person like Ed).

Al makes matters WORSE in this episode when he is sucked in by Sloth (Al you -retard!- *WHACK*). Ed's trying everything in his power to make things right, grasping at straws and what little he thinks he has left open for options... Al comes along and ruins it all! Ed's brain is going "WTF is going ON >_mother</s> father...

wow that was a long train of thought o_O;
Poison Envy: Angel Wings [Gift from Tears_priestess]winter_ruins on September 4th, 2004 09:19 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you mentioned. I think part of Sloth's attitude is because she's... well... Sloth. Slothful, bleh. I think one of the 'bad things' about sloth that makes it one of the deadly sins is that you become like... well, that. Pretty emotionless.

About being nearly out of time? Ed knows/thinks it's either his father manipulating them, or Dante. I'm thinking that soon he's going to figure out "Hey, Dante must be Lyra" because of the whole perfume thing. The kids smart. He figured out what Tucker was going to do just by finding a burned drawing in episode 7. I'm waiting for him to make the connection, if he hasn't already made it.
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on September 4th, 2004 09:43 pm (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense for the Sloth character. I suppose with a name like Sloth you wouldn't expect to get to know that type of person in any intimate detail, nor would they convey any willingly.

I'm very interested to see what'll happen when Ed encounters Dante/Lyra. I'm not sure what he'll think about meeting his father's ex-lover and the person who's orchestrating his misery... especially since she's so strong o.o. I'm sure he's got a clue, he's already hinted at it... I look forward to him putting the pieces of his mind together for us.
Cynthiacsakuras on September 4th, 2004 09:23 pm (UTC)
Looking at your icon, I just noticed that in most of the Openings and Endings, Ed and Al are always standing/sitting together when they angst. In the latest one...Ed and Al angst apart. And Ed is the only one fighting the Sins in the Ending.
Poison Envy: I won't listenwinter_ruins on September 4th, 2004 09:27 pm (UTC)
Stupid farking foreshadowing. JFDKSJf;klS >.
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on September 4th, 2004 09:39 pm (UTC)
You're so right >.<

They don't stand together in this new OP, they don't stand near, don't interact, they don't even look at each other. With the exception of when they walk away down the railroad tracks... they're solitary. It's depressing to think about >.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE! [fullmetal alcshinraisei on September 5th, 2004 02:07 am (UTC)
*adds that to that list of stuff from the OP and ED that have appeared in the anime/influenced the current events in the anime* o.o

...It makes sense. When the song starts ('Gishinda omoi wo...') you see Ed and Al, distanced [not facing each other at all might I add] and the slide-panelling makes it look more like what's happening now than just a mere animation effect.

I think the fist-clenching from Al is supposed to give the impression that Al wants to do his own things to fix what's going on whilst the somewhat darkened/worried-faced Ed is in my opinion giving the viewer the impression about how much Ed is bottling inside of him. I mean, his frown and that look on his face gives the impression to me that he's keeping way to many emotions bottled up in him. (anger, sadness and especially worry)

Hate to take a reference from Pokémon Advance Generation (forgot what the dub called it) but, in the 1st or 2nd episode, Satoshi [Ash]'s Pikachu becomes sick from having not released any form of electricity for a long time and is suffering from a you could say 'surplus' or 'dangerous buildup' of electricity within him that its going to kill him.(aka Go boom) Now lets say the electricity is like emotion [Ed's and the world's] and looking at it from that standpoint, keeping all those feelings bottled up is either going to cause some bad things to happen [perhaps the worse is yet to come] or drive him mad or, the unlikely but we all know how angsty Mr. Edward gets, kill him. (Or the somewhat deeper reason, 'eat him up from the inside out')

So unless Ed and Al reconcile soon and start talking about things like they used to, Ed's relationship with his brother and perhaps those around him will further deteriorate to the point where one would find it impossible to rebuild all those years (15 of them) of bonding between the two.

(my goodness...i think alot at 3 am...when I should be trying to fix myself so that I go to bed no later than midnight for school. ^^;.)
Cynthiacsakuras on September 4th, 2004 10:39 pm (UTC)
You have a good point about how Ed loses some of his morality when not with Al. We already have plenty of examples:

Episode 7: I'm sure Ed would have ended up killing Tucker if Al hadn't stopped him.
Episode 8: Ed was -this- close to killing Barry.
Episode 22&23: Ed is disappointed with himself for not sacrificing those prisoners.
Episode 34: Ed kills Greed. ><
Episode 44: Ed digs up his mom's grave.

What happens to Edward the Emotionally Unstable when Alphonse the Rational is no longer buy his side?
(Basically the same things you said, just expanding on it.)
Poison Envywinter_ruins on September 11th, 2004 04:15 pm (UTC)
I thought it was Alexnina who stopped him?
Wiccat: funny FMA - panicwiccat on September 4th, 2004 09:52 pm (UTC)


This just adds to my theory that Al will die @_@ The main reason people brought up when I first made my point was that Ed would not be able to stand it and go nuts or something... But now that they've got this rift going...

dun dun DUUUUUNNNN!!
Cynthiacsakuras on September 4th, 2004 09:59 pm (UTC)
I still think Ed would go nuts, except this time he might blame Al too, not just himself- "Why didn't you let me help you dammit?!"
Wiccat: funny naruto - pokewiccat on September 4th, 2004 10:01 pm (UTC)
He wouldn't go *as* nuts as if Al got killed off in episode 20-something though.
vejitto_vejitto_ on September 4th, 2004 10:17 pm (UTC)
Just my take (kinda long, sorry o,o):
Dunno, I hope someone noticed this too, but up to the point when Ed bumped into Al in the desert and Al actually saw the Gate, Al was pretty much like in the same mindset like he was at age 9-10. By this I mean the natural "younger brother admire older brother and seldom goes against him" thing. Younger looks upon older, it's okay. Funny thing, that Al never really got to that point in his life, when the younger grows up and partly separates from the older.
When the aforementioned bump happened, I think Al saw the Gate through this, and as he regained his real memories, he suddenly got older by that passed 4 years. He began to walk his own way, sort of, and while Ed's still a big part of his trains of thought (well, he did go to Tucker to help him use the stone, so he could help Ed), it doesn't really bother him to do things that somehow doesn't involve him (yay for mental insight >_> but daidoujisan explained it better).
On this note, the preview says 'Kaa-san... Taisa... Al... This is the road I've chosen'.

About information sharing... or rather, the lack of it... I just hate it. I understand Ed couldn't really go "Hey, Al, guess what, it's a part of our mother~" here, I can even say he might wanted to settle the whole Sloth thing myself so Al wouldn't get involved / be in a danger of getting caught / used, but he should have known Al won't sit this out even if he says so. Imho this is why Al didn't mention Tucker. Ed would only freak out and forbid him to go (like when Al wanted to clap). And Al would go anyway, because he wanted to know how to use the stone and help Ed.
The growing pile of problems and angst and changes doesn't help either (neither does whoever writes the storyline, because there are tooo many sudden, unforeseen changes that kicks the characters/plot around... I'm not exactly sure I like how things unfold).

Homonculus-hunter Ed... I always thought he was referring to only Sloth as the "thing we should settle before thinking about ourselves again" target. I mean, they loved their mother, they tried to resurrect her, and in the process they've made a "monster", and now they have the responsibility of sending back her to whence she came.

Lust... Coolness-rate and survival percent does not match. I was hopeful to the end that she might have been saved... but even Ed can't do two things at once. And sibling bickering apart, he would chose to "free" Al from Sloth over saving Lust (I wonder if he even heard her scream, it seemed like a different warehouse... or whatever).

Sloth... A drama that came too sudden, but I think it was okay. I don't blame Al for trying to cling to that hope that Sloth may be their mother; he's supposed to be the reasonable one, but we've seen how easily he can be deceived by other people (Barry, I mean). Guess he's just too trusting, and Sloth acted like Trisha, and he did want to believe (or maybe I'm just too much of an Al-fangirl o,o). Ed on the other hand is more rational. He saw Sloth back in Lior, and had a few days to think on what he should do, and realise what really is the case. Sloth wasn't really pulling the "good mother" with him, either.
I just... hope now that Sloth is gone, the things between Ed and Al will improve (despite preview), because if they don't work together, I don't see the point in the series. It's supposed to be about two brothers, not just Ed, right? *hopeful*
Cynthiacsakuras on September 4th, 2004 10:45 pm (UTC)
"Hey, Al, guess what, it's a part of our mother~"

That made me laugh. XD I know it's wrong, but I couldn't help it.
vejitto_vejitto_ on September 4th, 2004 11:01 pm (UTC)
Watching FMA made me switch back and forth from normal and morbid mode. Guess what was the first thing that flashed into my mind when Wrath slashed Lust...? "There can be only one."
._. I'm low. My friends who I watch FMA with want to lynch me XD
Zranazrana on September 4th, 2004 11:10 pm (UTC)
Ed has older brother syndrome. Tied with the hurt of what he saw as Al kinda abandonning him, he has that "don't tell him so he won't get sucked in and hurt / don't tell him cuz he'll side against me" thing going on. He thinks Al is not equiped to handle all the farked up stuff that he's been finding out--not that Ed really is himself. Al is too trusting and naive, but rather that than ignorant as well. Work together you too!

The rift also shows how different the brothers are when faced with teh same emotional stuff. Ed took on the role of someone responsible adult (in his own way) when their mom died, so Al could stay the younger innocent brother mentally, and so Al is more prone to the cling to the parents stuff.

The other brothers from way back when show back up next ep. YAY! Maybe they can knock some sense back into the Elrics.

And I don't know what or how, but I swore, when reading the summeries but before reading someone else say it that I remembered a line as "this is the path i've chosen"... if it was subbed in ep 46, maybe that's where I remember it... Ed! So much crisis drama is happening, I can't even theorize coherantly.

*bangs the boys heads together one last time before wondering off*