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18 August 2004 @ 10:47 pm
Question About Fourth Ending and Hughes  
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but you guys post so often and not all of us have the stamina to go through all the earlier things! But- Have I lost my mind, or is Envy using the form of Hughes when he shoots at Ed during the 4th Ending? In the graveyard, immediatly following the poker scene where Riza's boobs steal the scene. There's seems to clearly be Ed running towards a military figure shooting him, which turns to Envy and escapes through some killer breakdancing moves, leading to a group Homunculus shot. Probably not foreshadowing (though fucking sweet if it was, kids :-?) but I was wondering if anyone had confirmed/dispelled this as of yet?












(this dance position confirmed the Hughesosity for it right here. A very Maes pose.)



This would be a hilarious amount of work all just to hear a resounding "Yeah. Envy as Hughes. We discussed this. Means nothing. Whatev." sweet.
 
 
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Jen Leenabichan on August 18th, 2004 09:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it does look like Hughes =/ I miss him!
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: tedderogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:25 pm (UTC)
Man! :/ who doesn't!
Ansem, seeker of the cockpowercorrupts on August 18th, 2004 09:18 pm (UTC)
Huh. I'd wondered vaguely who it was, since it was definately someone in a military uniform, but that second screenshot confirms that it must be Hughes. Makes sense in a horribly ironic way, I suppose. xD
That'd be cool if it were foreshadowing. After all, Envy's ability has been proven to be useful for stopping people for a crucial second, making them doubt.
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: who flew too close to the sun.derogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:23 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't have been convinced w/o the second shot either and it was the hardest one to grab, man. I had been dreading that Envy might use it on Elric kyoudai before they found out about Hughes death, but 44 put that idea to rest- For better or worse.
sapphy梨: Cage [naruko]sapphynashi on August 18th, 2004 09:20 pm (UTC)
o.o Well, yeah, that is definitely Envy-as-Hughes.
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: there once was a heroderogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:29 pm (UTC)
*woe* well, no one said Envy wasn't a dick.
ジェニイ 「Jenny」kirchu on August 18th, 2004 09:24 pm (UTC)
*watches the 4th ending again and again* o_O;

Ooh, it does look like Envy as Hughes. :o He's also wearing some kind of the same glasses too! *looks closely* Ee.
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: that's the principal of equivalent tradederogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:28 pm (UTC)
I am not going to consider the possibility for cuteness that follows the thought of Envy-in-Glasses.
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Poison Envywinter_ruins on August 18th, 2004 09:24 pm (UTC)
I noticed it the first time I saw it. I was thinking "So Hughes really does become the new Greed?!", and then he turned into Envy and I was both relieved and let down.
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: people cannot gain anythingderogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:27 pm (UTC)
Hah, man, me too. It's such a token fangirl thing to wish for Hughes to come back as a Sin, but I won't deny I've hoped for it more than a few times :-" And that would be a huge spoiler to just toss around in an ending if it was true :))
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Vedana_fields on August 18th, 2004 09:29 pm (UTC)
Maybe it won't happen. After all, many things that have happend in intros or endings never happened. But I miss him. T.T
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: that was the truth of the worldderogatory on August 18th, 2004 09:30 pm (UTC)
Good point. oh, i am so torn!
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Courtney: windypixelspaniel on August 18th, 2004 10:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's Envy in the form of Hughes. I still can't get over that. That funeral scene still makes me cry! >_
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: how it went through mederogatory on August 18th, 2004 10:22 pm (UTC)
it was awful. ://
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on August 18th, 2004 10:05 pm (UTC)
I think I put up that there would be the possibility that Envy, just to toy with the Elrics say, would transform into Hughes which would be perfect if say someplace, Ed's gone stark white at whatever he might be witnessing and Envy appears and Hughes just to toy around with his head and finally try and kill/hurt him. I mean his cover would be semi-blown but he could also use it to kill or hurt Roy or just to toy around with Roy in some way.

the greatest comeback since Lazarusderogatory on August 18th, 2004 10:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, using the images/memories of the dead is a common way to disturb an opponent. And Hughes is the only dead person close to Elric kyoudai that Envy knows of, excluding their mother and Sloth pretty much has that base covered. (It's doubtful Envy knows about Nina.) You brought up the point that it would probably shake Roy up a lot, too, which i hadn't thought about! But does Envy honestly even know the relationship between Elric kyoudai(or Roy) and Hughes? Hard to toy with the death if Envy isn't even sure that they knew Hughes.
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Yuuki Hikariyuukihikari on August 18th, 2004 10:30 pm (UTC)
o.o It does look like Hughes (*random "I love/miss Hughes ;.;!!" moment*)..... and Envy has ample info on how to copy Hughes.

.... what twisted fun the series could do with that.
Hungry Hungry Mongoosenzmongoose on August 18th, 2004 11:43 pm (UTC)
I've been waiting for Envy to try turning into Hughes. If he was willing to turn into Gracia to get Hughes to lower his guard, then it probably wouldn't be beyond him to become Hughes to do the same thing to someone else. But at the same time, I think the fact that they included it in the ending animation makes me doubt they'll use it in the actual anime, since it seems too obvious now. Although I think that if he wanted to get Roy, it'd be far more effective for him to become Hawkeye.

Oh, and for that last shot... the perfect shot to show those people who won't believe me that Envy wears shorts under his skirt/cloth-thing! So many people I know think he's a girl when they first see him...
breakin' through the door: Androgynymiss_arel on August 19th, 2004 03:25 am (UTC)
Envy's an it. Just like Desire: Part of a group of 7, sexy, bitchy, and totally androgynous.
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breakin' through the door: I love youmiss_arel on August 19th, 2004 03:28 am (UTC)
Definitely Hughes-shaped . . . No one else has that forelock of DOOM. I doubt it actually means anything, though; it's probably second nature for a creature like Envy to do that in a fight: Take on the shape of an enemy's loved one in order to distract them. Bastitch.

That and I think the animation staff are doing everything they can to give Hughes as much posthumous exposure as possible. Just cos he's dead don't mean they're gonna dump him.

*sigh* I miss Hughes . . .
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: that was the truth of the worldderogatory on August 19th, 2004 11:42 am (UTC)
Man, no kidding. We see more Hughes postdeath than when he was alive, it seems.
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brosef stalin, leader of the broletariat.: I love this Hufflepuff.arisato on August 19th, 2004 03:43 am (UTC)
*spooks!*

Thank you for that. Now I'll never be able to erase the mental image of Hughes breakdancing from the palette of my mind.
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: his wings of wax fell apartderogatory on August 19th, 2004 11:39 am (UTC)
*haunted*

Well! Don't you remember the big military dance-off from the manga gaidens?
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Hikikomorithe_hikikomori on August 19th, 2004 07:41 am (UTC)
Well I knew it was an military person but I didn't bother to do the research into it. But you're right, that's Hughes. Envy seems to like taunting people so it's not really surprising.
mikkeneko on August 19th, 2004 12:37 pm (UTC)
Really? I could have SWORN that was Archer. But, it has the Hughes-glasses, so...

Y'know, that would have been a really good logistical reason to tell them about Hughes! So they know that if they see him it's not really him!
the greatest comeback since Lazarus: you must present something of equal valuderogatory on August 19th, 2004 12:49 pm (UTC)
That does look like Archer! I always forgot about that guy, even when he was around a lot, so :-? But those are glasses..
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