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08 August 2004 @ 10:02 pm
Episode 44  


I am exceedingly underwhelmed.

I've been waiting for the Ed-Hohenheim reunion since episode THREE and... this is it??

I recognize the need for an episode that is atleast partially lighthearted. If the entire audience went off and committed suicide from the angst overload there wouldn't be anyone left alive to buy the dvds.

STILL.

The reunion with Izumi was about ten thousand times more emotionally charged and she was teacher. This is their FATHER. And that's it? Ed punches him in the face and Al has a talk with him inside a tent and then he's gone again?

In the previous episodes I felt absolutely certain that something big was going down in Rizenbul. With Winry and Scheizka, Hohenheim, Ed and Al, Ross and Broche, Mustang-tachi, plus a military force headed by General Hakuro, and probably the homunculus ALL about to converge at Rizenbul-- I was so sure something big was going to happen.

But no.

I mean, okay, the episode really wasn't all bad. It had it's good points.

But I was really invested in seeing that Ed-Hohenheim reunion scene. And I didn't get what I wanted and I'm pouting a little. I'll get over it. And if I don't, I'll write fic.

Let me talk about Hohenheim for a minute. >_< I'm not sure how I feel about the anime's decision to make him-- well, if not good, then significantly less evil than his manga counterpart. It seems to me that the anime is making him one of the "good guys," so to speak. With all his "how sad"s and "I'm sorry"s and his mournful, regretful, nostalgic expressions obviously they're trying to provoke sympathy for him.

To which I say: no fricking way. He's sorry? GOOD. He SHOULD BE. Because he's a DEADBEAT DAD. He abandoned his wife and children! And I'm sure that this is caused in part by my own issues, but Hohenheim will *never* get *any* sympathy from me. Period. It's just not in me.

Whereas, in the manga, I find his character fascinating because he's, you know, EVIL. An evil guy who abandons his family to go forth and do evil stuff? That's interesting. I don't have to expect him to conform to any sort of moral standard because he's EVIL. A guy who is NOT evil and abandons his family anyway just makes me go like this: >_< HIT HIM AGAIN ED!!!

I acknowledge and accept my issues. That doesn't change the fact that I dislike Hohenheim. Also, he was hitting on my Maria. That makes me angry.

So, yes. Underwhelmed with Hohenheim and underwhelmed with the episode as a whole.

Of the good: Ed hauling Mustang down by his collar to growl at him with about three inches between their faces. Mmm. And then Ed's frantic screams as Al falls into the river-- oh man, my heart caught in my throat for him. And then Ed calling him an idiot and jumping in to drag him out... Ed loves his brother so much. And Al's little gasp of happiness sitting on the river bank was so cute. I can't wait til he's restored. And then when they finally found out about Hughes.... Oh, my poor boys. Oh Ed.

Also, Ed is so pretty with his hair down. So, so pretty. ::sigh::

The Lyla = Dante plot twist? I kinda figured. Which is strange, because I am almost always caught completely off guard by the plot twists. It's weird to have figured one out in advance. Although I want to know what the heck she's doing with Rose! Run away, Rose! Run away!

I must say, I am continually impressed by the absolute *tightness* of the plot. Characters introduced as one-offs (a la Yoki, Lyla, Tucker, Barry, and Rose) are brought back later on to play vital roles. And if an important character is going to be introduced later on, they're seemlessly woven into the background of the series until when we finally meet them it's like we already know them. A la Kimberly, Archer, Izumi, and Hakuro. I'm still holding out for Psiren's comeback.
 
 
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filling spatial gaps with prime value: by yuzu_chan - smile or get hurtamai_unmei on August 8th, 2004 10:51 pm (UTC)
Hohenheim's not as overtly evil in the anime, but one of the really creepy things about him is how ambiguous he really is. If Hohenheim was a "good guy", he never would have left his family in the first place ... and why didn't he point out to Al and Ed that he knew Dante? That he and Dante were on a first name basis? That he and Dante both knew about the Sins (note that Hohenheim doesn't ask what happened to his wife after several years of being gone ... he already knows)?

I like the ambiguous Hohenheim. He likes his kids (but not necessarily enough to stick around), he seems to have some intimate connection with Dante -- note that he only injured her and Dante caresses Hohenheim in the ep 44 preview (which would explain Dante's vendetta against the Elric brothers), and he's powerful enough to ward off the homunculi but apparently cannot be bothered with sharing all of his knowledge with his own children. His dysfunction is fascinating to me.

Although I want to know what the heck she's doing with Rose!

Rose is probably the next body she's taking over. I wondered why Lyra/Dante paid such close attention to Rose before ... now it seems a bit clearer. But, Rose could serve another purpose.

I must say, I am continually impressed by the absolute *tightness* of the plot.

Yes! FMA is awesome in this regard! :D
Nikkisarashina_nikki on August 9th, 2004 01:00 am (UTC)
and why didn't he point out to Al and Ed that he knew Dante?

The lack of forthcoming-ness doesn't surprise me at this point. In this series, miscommunication is key. This episode was, I think, the first in the entire series wherein the good guys pooled their resources. And yet Ed is still keeping secrets, about the Philosopher's Stone and homunculus' bones, and when Mustang left he _still_ hadn't told Ed and Al about Hughes. I mean, let's face it. No one in this series ever talks to anyone else. So Hohenheim still being closemouthed after only two episodes doesn't surprise me.

note that Hohenheim doesn't ask what happened to his wife after several years of being gone ... he already knows?

Well, I think he was surprised. He clearly had no idea that Ed and Al burned down their house and he did ask Winry how long Trisha had been dead. Now, it could be that he did know she'd died and was just asking because of his weird lack of awareness of the passage of time. Personally, I don't think so.

He likes his kids

::muttermutter:: Hohenheim only likes his kids as an abstract concept. Sort of: "this is my son, therefore I like him." How can he like them? He abandoned them for fifteen(?) years. He doesn't KNOW THEM.

he seems to have some intimate connection with Dante

I'm really interested to see what his connection to Dante is. Particularly since they both have this level of alchemy that outshines even Ed and Izumi who have seen the so-called "Truth." When Ed and Izumi go all clappy hands they still have to touch what they're transmuting. Dante and Hohenheim are just... clapping. I am intrigued.

His dysfunction is fascinating to me.

He's certainly a mysterious character. At this time my view on him is that he'll be an ally to Ed, not an enemy. But that doesn't change my opinion he's a crummy human being and that Ed should kick him a few more times.

Rose is probably the next body she's taking over.

Hm. That's quite likely.
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on August 9th, 2004 02:17 am (UTC)
and why didn't he point out to Al and Ed that he knew Dante?

The lack of forthcoming-ness doesn't surprise me at this point. In this series, miscommunication is key.


I don't think Hoenhiem realized that Ed and Al had encountered Dante until the middle of the episode. When Ed's talking at the table, and Hoenhiem is sitting outside, he startles and grabs Den's leg when Al mentions Dante. And even if he had told them what sort of person Dante is going to be, from his reaction and what I understood from the Dante/Hoenheim encounter at the end - I get the impression that he doesn't want his kids going anywhere near Dante, or vice versa (and you just know Ed will go after her if his dad says "don't do that!").

When Ed and Izumi go all clappy hands they still have to touch what they're transmuting. Dante and Hohenheim are just... clapping. I am intrigued.

*blinks* .... o.o you're right.... o.O ohhh...
Mad Maudlinginzai on August 9th, 2004 04:28 am (UTC)
I'm really interested to see what his connection to Dante is. Particularly since they both have this level of alchemy that outshines even Ed and Izumi who have seen the so-called "Truth." When Ed and Izumi go all clappy hands they still have to touch what they're transmuting. Dante and Hohenheim are just... clapping. I am intrigued.

But are we really certain that Ed has to touch the thing he transmutes? I ask because the characters seem to fall into a complancy, almost, when it comes to alchemy. They almost never seem to stretch their abilties further than what they've already proven they can do, and with the potential for a hugely horrible backlash, I can understand it. But Ed had the ability to do alchemy wihtout an array for months before he figured it out, and when he did, he didn't clap his hands to do so. He just laid hands on the basin of water and suddenly it was steaming. The ability to not have to clap, which everyone else seems to need, appears to me to be a far more interesting one than not needing to touch it. We also know that Al doesn't stretch his powers as far as he could (though I believe in the manga he's starting to change this). Al's also seen the Truth, but we don't see him going about doing arrayless alchemy even though, technically, there is nothing to stop him from doing so. I figure that Ed's touching whatever he's transmuting is more convinence than a limiting factor, particularly since the majority of times Ed transmutes, he's needs it in his hands because he's about to do something with it.
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filling spatial gaps with prime value: by yuzu_chan - smile or get hurtamai_unmei on August 9th, 2004 04:29 am (UTC)
And yet Ed is still keeping secrets, about the Philosopher's Stone and homunculus' bones

Ed, admittedly, has a Very Good Reason for not disclosing the fact that his brother IS the Philosopher's Stone. Al, in theory, could be used or misused by nearly any person interested in breaking the laws of alchemy ... and I don't think most alchemists could turn down the chance at that kind of power. Ed is naturally more suspicious than his brother -- and then you look at Hohenheim's desertion of his family and the fact that Ed is the only one who was old enough to comprehend the loneliness his mother felt after their father left -- and it makes sense character-wise for Ed to not be so open with such a secret.

If Ed just has some heart-to-heart with any of the characters, though -- a la "boo hoo my brother lost his body and now he's the Philosopher's Stone" -- it would not fit with the characterization that Ed has shown so far.

Now, it could be that he did know she'd died and was just asking because of his weird lack of awareness of the passage of time.

There's something up with Hohenheim and his completely "off" sense of time. The issue with him confusing Winry for her mother is just too weird ... and it brings up the question(s): does Hohenheim age? Does he go off and hibernate for some significant length of time, like a bear addicted on Ambien? Does he just wake up 7 or 8 years later and think, "dang, I slept too long again"? It's too strange!

When Ed and Izumi go all clappy hands they still have to touch what they're transmuting. Dante and Hohenheim are just... clapping.

The show is clearly drawing a direct connection between Dante and Hohenheim. What's interesting is that Ed knows Dante's perfume ... which means that Hohenheim was still visiting Dante when the boys were small. Maybe that's why he left? It seems very soap-opera-ish, but it's almost like Dante and Hohenheim are -- ahem -- a couple. Not sure if that's true yet, but it's curious.
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chrononuriko on August 8th, 2004 10:56 pm (UTC)
Technically the manga Hohenheim isn't confirmed to be Hohenheim.

Everyone assumes he is though...and heck, even I have to say that it's pretty obvious that he is -- but it still isn't confirmed, and Arakawa might just be playing with people.

And I'm sure there is a good reason on why he abandoned his family and such, it's not as if we know much about him thus far...and he does seem to be involved in something big.

I do have to say that I was similarly underwhelmed with the reunion though...

And yeah, I saw the Lyra = Dante plot twist from several miles away as well. Heck, that's what first came to my mind when Lyra started acting all weird right after Dante 'died'...
Nikkisarashina_nikki on August 9th, 2004 01:10 am (UTC)
but it still isn't confirmed, and Arakawa might just be playing with people.

Yeah, I wouldn't put it past her. Oh, Arakawa-sensei. Why must you hurt me so? T_T

And I'm sure there is a good reason on why he abandoned his family and such

There could be, but I'm not holding my breath. He's such a loopy guy, I think he just wandered off and didn't realize that 15(?) years had gone by. After all, he thought Winry was her mother. I get the feeling that, as he was riding the train back to Rizenbul, he was thinking he'd go back and find his family exactly the way he'd left it.

Or I could be wrong.
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reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on August 9th, 2004 01:35 am (UTC)
Technically the manga Hohenheim isn't confirmed to be Hohenheim.

Its not confirmed but if you've read the chapters prior like 22 or 23 I think, and compare it to chapter 30 where we see a man in a chair, you'll notice that the man in the chair bears the same features to Hohenheim (Unless Hohenheim is Pride which we all know wouldn't work). =)
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on August 8th, 2004 11:05 pm (UTC)
I have to agree... the impact of this episode was very disheartening. You'd have expected so much more than gag-freakin Ed with his father. It just... it was like nothing. You're right - Izumi was more powerful than this. It was like his father had gone off to a brothle for some weekend, Ed found out and decked his dad for being a dick... I mean - he ABANDONDED his wife, his children, his family, his military career for 10+ years... and we get THAT? Even Ed in the preview had more angst/anger in him than this ~_~ There was so much more class that could have been had with the whole thing. They better spoil us rotten later on to make up for it.

The Hughes thing was done really well, it was SO good to finally have the boys know that... and what a wedge that drives between Roy and Ed, yee.. Ed's got such a chip on his shoulder to begin with, and then after Roy's big speach Ed finds out that Roy's been hiding things from him. Ed had better flip on Roy something good ~_~

The Lyra/Dante thing I've been suspecting for a while... so it was a "thanks for the confirmation *nod*" sort of reaction. Rose should find some new company o.o; she's in trouble...

I wouldn't expect to see any more characters re-introduced. They've re-introduced characters that gave us NO indication that they would return to the series. Yoki/Lyra were some random episode, Tucker was supposed to have died, Barry just... well we certainly weren't expecting him to come back, especially like THAT o.o, and Rose... she also never gave us any indication that she could come back and play such an important role.

The fake Elric brothers would make sense to be brought back because of their knowledge on how to work with the red water.. however they're useless now ^^; *points to Al*. Psiren told us she wanted to come back XD; so she probably won't... since Ed already has what he's looking for, sorta.

I wonder what sort of role General Hakuro will play as the story comes to a conclusion... from the sounds of it they've re-introduced him into what could be a minor-important role. He could be very vital to either side o.o I wonder which... and how long it'll take before he dies XD;; *can see him dying... oh well*

wow o.o so much to think about
Nikkisarashina_nikki on August 9th, 2004 01:37 am (UTC)
There was so much more class that could have been had with the whole thing. They better spoil us rotten later on to make up for it.

I know! They dropped the ball this episode. There had better be some pretty darn good fanservice in the upcoming episodes.

Ed's got such a chip on his shoulder to begin with, and then after Roy's big speach Ed finds out that Roy's been hiding things from him. Ed had better flip on Roy something good

Well, I'm sure he will. Because it's Ed and that's what Ed does. But then, it's not like Ed isn't hiding things from Roy too. Oh Ed. ;_; Why can't you trust the colonel? He's in your corner. Honest.

They've re-introduced characters that gave us NO indication that they would return to the series.

I know! I think that's really, really cool. And because I'm slow on the uptake like that, I'm always surprised. At this point, Psiren and the fake Elrics are the only one-off characters who HAVEN'T been reintroduced. Well, them and the town of Youswell. Even though there's only eight episodes left I still think that atleast one of the three will make a cameo. (I really just want to see Psiren again. She's so cool)

I wonder what sort of role General Hakuro will play as the story comes to a conclusion

I honestly... have no idea what the heck they're doing with him. And they are so obviously doing SOMETHING. Mustang uses Ed to save Hakuro's butt, Hakuro sneers at Mustang's "promotion" to East City, he commands the "peacekeeping" force in Ishbar and leers at Rose, he blocks Mustang's investigation of Hughes, he gets promoted to temporary-Fuhrer during the Lior crisis, he's in command of the military force sent to retrieve Ed from Ishbar... The dude just keeps popping up everywhere.

And I do not have the faintest clue what his ultimate purpose is going to be.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on August 9th, 2004 01:32 am (UTC)
And Al's little gasp of happiness sitting on the river bank was so cute.

Anyone notice the little yellow sparklie? ...Geez, Armstrong's sparklie influence is stronger than I thought. XD

I'm trying to still keep Hohenheim as being the evil-dude of the whole story but its somewhat hard to do at the moment. Really nice to add the bits of humour and such (Al's faces were too cute)

How long will Ed and Al keep the whole "We've created the Stone" now to themselves I wonder.

Its good to know that the brothers finally know about what happened to Hughes. That scene was well done. If they go back to Central, I think Ed and Al should go make a visit to Glacia (plus the two haven't seen Elicia since she was born or they have but only briefly) it would be nice to hear the whole thing about Hughes's 'noseyness' accompanied by a 2min flashback or something...o_o (flashback not because I'm a fan of Hughes but just because =))

I think I must be one of the few who was crying when Ed was digging up his mother's grave but that's because I've lost someone that close and for someone such as Ed to end up doing that is like...gut wrenching for me to witness. Definatly the most moving part of the episode imo. (It made me hate Ed for a bit but I guess thinking that its for them to gain an edge over Sloth somewhat cooled those feelings ^^;;.)


Episode 45: Hmm... Roy is going to confront the Fuhrer for sure I'm hoping for just a heated armguement (and then having me speculate Roy being demoted) and not a Roy v Fuhrer King Bradley battle because...uhm, Bradley would own him like that (even if he has 1 out of his 5 swords with him). And an attack on the leader would sent Roy directly to court and turn the military against him too. Not something we need to see.

What about Maria? Is she going to have the same fate like in the manga or no?

2$ on a Winry and Ed moment =_= (Like the whole "I was hoping that Mr. Hughes could have some the pie I baked..." in the manga where if you feared a WinryxEd at the last panel before the next page you were greeted instead to a sobbing Winry and Ed bearing as witness and having a bit of the pie before angsting again.)


So much to think about o_o;
Yuuki Hikari: EdStrayDogyuukihikari on August 9th, 2004 01:53 am (UTC)
Roy is going to confront the Fuhrer for sure I'm hoping for just a heated armguement (and then having me speculate Roy being demoted)

I think it'll be something that has to do with Roy not returning with the Elric brothers; Roy's going to try and make a stand in his own/Edward's defence... and get put down ._. how far down... hnnn (demotion, verbal lashing, re-assignment, threat... more eviller than that o.o hoe)... Fuhrer's going to be EVIL next episode *ominous*

What about Maria? Is she going to have the same fate like in the manga or no?

No! no... I really like Maria, that'll make me cry for her again. She's a good psuedo-mom for the boys...

2$ on a Winry and Ed moment =_=

u.u I hope not... shoo! put your money away >_>... any Winry/Ed cuteness is SO under-developped in the series it would look unnatural. The series has done good with keeping Ed free of having to worry about things like 'Winry/Ed moments' so he can focus on the task at hand. His brain couldn't handle Winry ^^; it's close enough to exploding already.
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Nikkisarashina_nikki on August 9th, 2004 02:15 am (UTC)
I think I must be one of the few who was crying when Ed was digging up his mother's grave

That scene was so heartwrenching. My heart just broke for Ed, the way he just said "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He wanted to do it even less than you wanted him to do it. But he doesn't have a CHOICE. And-- and-- this series will be the death of me. Me, and Ed. Oh man, it never stops. They just keep piling more and more stuff on to him. Oh Ed. Please don't die. Speaking of which:

Roy is going to confront the Fuhrer [...] What about Maria?

Please don't die Roy. Please don't die Maria.

Although, at this point I really think the time has past that Maria could have suffered the same fate she did in the manga.

Not that anyone is safe in this series. If it wasn't for the fact that the movie's been announced I'd be very afraid that it would end like Hamlet.

Waahh. People are going to die. We just don't know who. ;_; I'm so afraid.
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kuromitsukuromitsu on August 9th, 2004 06:23 am (UTC)
What about Maria? Is she going to have the same fate like in the manga or no?

I really doubt it. Firstly, she met Roy in this episode, and Roy didn't give any indication of holding any grudges against her. Secondly, Roy now realized that it was the Fuhrer and his secretary manipulating the military all along for the philosopher's stone, so he knows they're the ones to blame (he probably read the notes Sheska gave him). And lastly, when Ed wants to take off after Roy, Sheska & the others talk at length about how Roy thinks there are more important things than revenge, and that he didn't tell the brothers about Hughes' deah because he didn't want them thinking about revenge and stuff. So even if she dies, I don't think it'll be Roy who kills her.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on August 9th, 2004 11:10 am (UTC)
I noticed something else...

Take some time to watch the OP and pay attention to the surroundings when the chorus (Kesshite, reraito shite!) begins...

Now fast-forward to where Dante-Lyra (Or Dantyla as lledorin so eloquently put it in his topic XD) takes Rose into the church, down the steps, and into a huge open space with a BIG waterfall and some statues and stuff. See any similarities?

So far, this part of the series has the only OP and ED that pertain to what has/will occur(ed) in the story thus far. The others didn't have much or maybe its just me o.o.(The OP showing where Dante took Rose; The ED showing those who have died etc. etc.)