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30 July 2004 @ 03:18 pm
i play DND every friday night and my current character is a druid. i was going through druid spells in the master of the wild assesory book and theres a spell called beget Bogun when i read the desc. of it i was WTF FMA!!!

beget bogun : Creates natural homunculus

fma is the first time ive ever heard of the word before, i had no idea there was anything thing like this in DND
Kristenneo_queen157 on July 30th, 2004 12:21 pm (UTC)
Ooooh yeah. The stuff you see around FMA are standard fantasy elements. My boyfriend plays D&D a lot, and I didn't even have to explain alchemy, or even chimeras to him. He also knew a few other words and phrases, including homonculus.

If you read through those books some more, I'm sure you'd be surprised at the similarities you'd find. :)
lesbian yellow-sourfruit: -ding- by invadersporkcrocoduck on July 30th, 2004 01:02 pm (UTC)
In the third addition monster manual there is a creature called the Homunculus, which is a sorcerer or a wizard's (I can't quite remember) construct. It's like a minature, artificial human that helps the magic user. When the word homonculus came into FMA, I felt like it was just like in DnD! Chimeras as well :D
Either love me or leave me alonesyphonboa on July 30th, 2004 01:30 pm (UTC)
n. pl. ho·mun·cu·li
A diminutive human.
A miniature, fully formed individual believed by adherents of the early biological theory of preformation to be present in the sperm cell.

Most of the things in FMA are not originals. Look up books on Alchemy and you'll hear about the Philosopher's stone (check out harry potter and the sorcerer's stone too) a lot, in fact its the goal of every alchemist.

Unfortunately, a lot of things we think are original are really based on past existing ideas. DnD, Tolkien, etc. Just about everybody is just taking pre-existing ideas and re-making them, or combining them in ways not thought of before.

Movies, books, video games, theres very little originality left in the world.

Of course, this doesnt make things BAD, it just means you gotta dig around for its origins. :P
Facility Fatalitatorapplekid on July 30th, 2004 05:08 pm (UTC)
Yay! Postmodernism!

I don't think it's unfortunate at all, it's simply the way art and culture have always worked. Every artist or writer or mangaka draws from previous works, in some regard. There's nothing wrong with that. :) Even ancient artists took inspiration from eachother.
Either love me or leave me alonesyphonboa on July 30th, 2004 05:55 pm (UTC)
Heh heh, you got me.

I'm a pomo. ^^;

I like to think that im inspired by things, but dont take their concepts and ideas too much.

As for FMA, its good because alchemy was very real as a spiritual and physical art and theres a lot of history and literature that would be a waste if it wasnt drawn upon.

linwen: Ed eheeee - madpusslinwen on July 30th, 2004 01:53 pm (UTC)
I first heard the term while playing Valkyrie Profile, one of the characters was a necromancer (I wonder if they changed it from Alchemist though) who had created homunculii by snatching an Elf woman from Afelheim and forcing himself on her T_T Bad man, very bad man.
tripoverhercats: You've got a sparkly!tripoverhercats on July 30th, 2004 03:10 pm (UTC)
one of the characters was a necromancer (I wonder if they changed it from Alchemist though)

Probably not. While the two disciplines overlap in areas, alchemists and mages don't play well with each other. (The old creationist/evolutionist type of incompatiability)

Necromancer: It's a mystery and an art you bottle-washing geek!
Alchemist: It's a science you finger-waving graverobber!
Druid: Now, now, there's room for both!
N&A: Oh shut UP you hippie!

Magical tiffs... make for fun game sessions (though my druid secretly hated wizards and did end up in fact killing a few other characters...)
Poison Envy: l337winter_ruins on July 30th, 2004 06:17 pm (UTC)
m.: /:)lout on July 31st, 2004 06:27 pm (UTC)
Someone else remembers Lezard Valeth and his perversion! He was primarily a necromancer, but he definitely practised alchemy. First alchemist I ever loved, man. When I first got into this show I could only think of Valkyrie Profile.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on July 30th, 2004 05:10 pm (UTC)
On RO (Ragnarok Online) one of the jobs you can take is Merchant which leads you to Blacksmith and then Alchemist. One of the abilities an Alchemist in RO gets is the ability to create a Homonculus to aid in battle. =D (I haven't started RO yet but I don't think I'll take the Merchant job...in RPGs I tend to lean more towards Magicians, Priests and such but you know I might try and get to Alchemist just for the heck of it XD;.)

I think I heard Homonculus in this old big book of fairy tales or something book...I knew I had heard it someplace before when the name was mentioned for the first time in the anime I just don't remember exactly where. o_o
Marianamaliza on July 30th, 2004 07:03 pm (UTC)
actually, when you are a merchant, you have to choose between Blacksmith and Alchemist.
My piece of advice: merchants are hard to level up. Archers are much easier, and swordies are the best to make money

I haven't tried making one yet because the create homunculus skills are not working yet. I can't wait until they are out though :D