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29 July 2004 @ 11:38 am
No Soul?  

I know it's said that the Sins have no soul. I can't remember who exactly said it but...

I'm sitting here, screencapping episode 30 (okay, right now I'm sitting here taking a short break), and it seems to be that Moofy does have a soul. A very adoribal one, at that.
And then I started thinking about the other Sins. Lust and her freaking-out-over-remembering-her-past, not to mention episode 35 and how it almost looked like she felt a bit of remorse over doing that.
Sloth and her freaking out when Winry said "You're Ed and Al's mother".
Wrath with his being unable to stand a babies cry.
Greed with his 'love' for his minions (you can't say you didn't see it!)
And finally Gluttony with his over-protectivness (love even?) over Lust.

It almost seems like they do have souls. Not almost, actually. It seems like they do have souls. I believe it was one of the Sins who said that they didn't have souls, but maybe they had convinced themselves of that so that way they would want to be human more. Or maybe "That Person" convinced them of that so they would strive to get the Philosopher's Stone.

Envy and Pride... I have yet to see anything really of them. That I've noticed, at least.

Began thinking about it after reading a post below this by josefphe and then watching episode 30 again.
Current Mood: contemplativecontemplative
hork13bajir5 on July 29th, 2004 11:56 am (UTC)
Envy: His angst over That Person. He obviously has feelings and a soul because he is sad and lonely, it seems. I think. o.o;;

Pride: He has a wife and a little boy he cares about. I think he cares about, at least. o.o
Poison Envywinter_ruins on July 29th, 2004 11:58 am (UTC)
XD I was thinking that feelings tend to be related to the soul, and out of all the Sins Envy is the most emotional. Of course, that was after I posted this and I was too lazy to go back. Poor Envy.

I didn't know Pride had a son. How cute! **Cough** **stops self**
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: *loads gun* Die Envy DIE!shinraisei on July 29th, 2004 12:26 pm (UTC)
*has a shrewd suspicion of what you might've been thinking...*
*Cough*...and my question is...how'dhegetasonifhe'sahomonculus? *cough!* x_x; (that's an entirly different discussion altogether...>>;)

Greed was like the nicest out of all the Sins in my opinion. If perhaps he had lived he might've even switched sides for all we know and our good-guys would've had a Homunculus on thier side o_o. (He hates Envy and the others and "That Person", he called Sloth dim-witted and slow and Lust an old woman and Envy a er--piece-of-crap Homunculus or something along those lines...)

Also, Greed was very protective of his underlings and was pretty mad at Wrath (aka Pride) when he, in the manga, killed them all. I think also Wrath made a comment about him having feelings (protective-they're-my-partners feelings) for his now-dead underlings. *can't remember o_o*
Poison Envywinter_ruins on July 29th, 2004 12:28 pm (UTC)
XD I always thought that Greed was the nicest of the Sins, too, despite not actually reading the manga. Envy stays my favorite though, but while Greed was around he was threatening Envy's current possition.
Man Slayer: little brotherredbeangirl on July 29th, 2004 12:27 pm (UTC)
I think a major problem, here, is that it's not entirely clear what is meant by "soul" in the FMA universe....

Personally, I think that That Person is using the sins and taking advantage of their desire to be fully human....and thus, maybe lying to them about how likely that it. However, I definately think that no matter how human they appear, they aren't, and if the difference is their lack of souls, then....well, there you go. ^_-
Poison Envy: Roy for Fuhrer [by invaderspork ]winter_ruins on July 29th, 2004 12:34 pm (UTC)
Personally what I think separates the Sins from being human is the fact that they're well, artificial, and they have like, super-powers. Like Superman isn't human, but... yeah >.>...

The definition of 'soul' in the FMAiverse is... well, clouded, to say the least. >.> I'm making myself believe that it's the same everywhere, because frankly, if Archer has a soul then I'll be damned if say, Greed doesn't.

Or maybe soul means who you are? Like Al's soul was conected to the armor, and it retains all of his memories and morals. If so, then the Sins may not have their old souls, but they've created new one's while they've been alive. If that makes any sense what-so-ever.

....And does this comment seem as pointless to anyone else as it does to me?
josefphe on July 29th, 2004 04:14 pm (UTC)
I sooo could have sworn that Envy or Lust once said that Homunculus had incomplete human souls, and to make them complete, they'd need the philosopher's stone. I believe that it was said during the 5th laboratory little plotline thing.
Kristenneo_queen157 on July 29th, 2004 08:10 pm (UTC)
They do seem to have feelings and such, huh?

Envy has passion. Just... a lot of hatred toward Hoenheim. (Note: the dozens of times that he's referred to the blood in Ed's veins being shared with some @#%^$)

All I can see from Pride is that he amuses himself. A lot.
Either love me or leave me alonesyphonboa on July 29th, 2004 09:49 pm (UTC)
I think that the Homunculus do have souls. They certainly have the memories of the bodies they currently have.

This is my theory:

The 7 sins existed within the gate as the lost souls. Since they have full knowledge of EVERYTHING, thanks to being in the gate, they know quiet a lot (Lust teaching Lujon the proper books on alchemy).

Now, when a human transmutation occurs, the soul of the human being transmutated needs to return to the body being created. But because its a failure, the human's soul does NOT return to heaven/hell. Instead it gets stuck in the gate as another lost soul with a failed body.

Somehow, someone has managed to tap into the gate, and free those 7 sins through those failed transmutations, but re-transmutating them into better bodies.

Confusing? lets take...Lust and Sloth

Lust is the "current" lust. Meaning there must have been others before her. But obviously not in that form. Since this Lust is THE form of Scar's brother's lover, she has traces of memories because she resides in that body.

Look at Sloth? Envy said sloth was the "youngest" yet acts like she is in charge. its obvious that the Elrics did the human transmutation only a few years ago, unlike Greed's who mentions a very long span of time.

So how do they escape the gate?! Thats what needs to be answered. Someone has found a way to free those sins, using the failed bodies, fixing them and making the bodies almost human. I think its Ed and Al's dad who is behind all the Homunculus. He found a way to open the gate and free them, giving them bodies, and knowing their weaknesses to be able to control them.