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18 July 2004 @ 11:24 am
Episode 40 thoughts.. Again.  

I know there is a heard of Episode 40 thoughts, but I thought I might aswell through mine in too.

  1. The Fuhrer. Am I the only one who thinks what he did was OK? I mean, for cripes sake, in the manga, Greed defies Hoheinhemm. So he brings Greed to him. I made a theory with my friend that in the manga, Bradley doesn't want to be a Sin. He does have a Wife and a Step-Son. So, he's looking to get rid of them. Mattel is still a fellon, whether or not Al likes her. She did work for Greed, and Greed did do stuff wrong. The Fuhrer is the head of the army, he has the right to kill convicted felons.  I was in much glee that it's almost exactly out of the manga, with the swords, and Mattel being inside Al, and notice Fuhrer had his eyes closed... But that leads me into my next point...
  2. Frank Archer was originally supposed to be Pride. Why? I think that once the little kid became Wrath, alot of people in Japan where frustrated/confused between the manga and anime with Bradley. I mean, it's refrenced that Pride "Is with Ed and Al" when Frank and Armstrong are taking away Wrath. The Fuhrer isn't there yet. I think that they realized that the Fuhrer would be very odd if he was working with the Sins like that, but did not have a connection. Did anyone else notice how odd the animation was for the last few segments? Maybe it was added later?
  3. Rose's Baby (XD Rosemary's Baby..) at first I thought it was Scar's child, but that didn't work out. I doubt they'll say she was rapped, or, since one of the episode's is called "The Virgin Mary", which is giving birth without sex, perhaps someone, an National Alchemist, through Alchemy, pregnated Rose? That'd be very intresting.
  4. I don't think Envy, Wrath, Gluttony, and Pride won't die until the movie. Notice the lack of Lust and Sloth. The main reason is, we have no connection to who those 4 are (Minus Wrath, but for some reason, I just can't see him dying in the show.)
  5. As nice is Motherland is, it almost killed the ending of 40. I mean, Revelation > Death > Agnst > Fanservice? I actually went into Movie Maker and changed the ending into Tobira No Mukoe e, it works alot better. >:D

 
 
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Saya Aenslandsaya_aensland on July 18th, 2004 09:58 am (UTC)
Rose's Baby (XD Rosemary's Baby..) at first I thought it was Scar's child, but that didn't work out. I doubt they'll say she was rapped, or, since one of the episode's is called "The Virgin Mary", which is giving birth without sex, perhaps someone, an National Alchemist, through Alchemy, pregnated Rose? That'd be very intresting.

Scar: She was taken in as a suspect, and when she came back, (something I can't make out).
Ed: *shock* *horror*
Scar: Should we forgive the military for that, too?

My current theory is that she was raped, but your theory sounds mighty interesting too.

As nice is Motherland is, it almost killed the ending of 40. I mean, Revelation > Death > Agnst > Fanservice? I actually went into Movie Maker and changed the ending into Tobira No Mukoe e, it works alot better. >:D

What are the possibilities of you sending me your version? DivX Player doesn't stop quick enough....
billypilgrim on July 18th, 2004 10:14 am (UTC)
I've read the raped thing, but I thought with the name of the episode, that would be much more intresting for the show other than "She was raped. The end."

If you want me to send you the video; IM me at Arex No Baka. ^^
kuromitsu: Reuentahlkuromitsu on July 18th, 2004 10:18 am (UTC)
Scar: She was taken in as a suspect, and when she came back, (something I can't make out).

As I heard, he says "kaette kita toki ni wa kotoba wo ushinatteita". So she hasn't talked ever since. I also think she was raped, but I guess we'll see in the next episode.
kuromitsu: Reuentahlkuromitsu on July 18th, 2004 10:11 am (UTC)
1 - Sure, it was right from his own point of view. In the manga, he followed orders, and in the anime he killed someone in self-defense (not to mention she discovered his secret). But I think Al and many others would say that even so it wasn't right to murder her right on the spot. Not to mention he didn't have to do it while she was inside Al. Even if he was right, that was just simple cruelty, especially in the anime; and in the manga, he also played way too long with Greed. It wouldn't have taken too long for him to plunge his swords into Greed's weak spots.

2 - Where do they say that "Pride is with Ed & Al"? The only thing I remember is Greed saying that Envy, Pride and the others are after the Elrics while Archer and Armstrong are taking Wrath away at the Fuhrer's order (IIRC). And since Envy and the others apparently get orders from Pride... Anyway, I don't think Archer was supposed to be Pride, that wouldn't have made any sense, even back then. Even before he's appeared, the Fuhrer's been behaving pretty suspiciously (5th lab, Hughes, and he even had a Very Suspicious Moment in the second opening ^^;;).

3 - The title of ep 41 ("Seibo") can mean "The Virgin Mary," but it can also mean simply "Holy Mother." "Holy mother" doesn't necessarily imply immaculate conception, only that she's the mother of a holy person and therefore she's holy herself.

5 - Funny thing is, the moment I actually took a look at the lyrics of Motherland, I totally forgot about the fanservice in the video. That song is so perfect for Winry - it's like an image song, and it describes her and her part in the story beautifully. So for me, the song was actually a good closure to the episode.
siliziumleben on July 18th, 2004 10:46 am (UTC)
Maybe the meaning of "pregnancy without having sex" in the episode's title "Virgin Mary" is ironic xD;;?
Or maybe she was coaxed into some kind of experiment from the militairy?
Well, she didn't seem to be happy ... so >__<;;

Rose will get some screentime in the next episode, so there's a chance we might find out what's up with the baby. I tend to believe she was raped, too but ... with FmA, you never know =_=;;
Mike, Die Führer von Piggieszackx78 on July 18th, 2004 11:56 am (UTC)
I use Movie maker as well, But I just skip the ending since I watch my Anime in WinAMP. Anyway just hit the right arrow key (->) a couple times, It helps since I dislike the Motherland ED
billypilgrim on July 18th, 2004 12:04 pm (UTC)
Nah, what I mean what I edited the song to go over the Fuhrer killing Mattel and Al trying to cry. XD;;
breakin' through the door: Martel: This Firemiss_arel on July 18th, 2004 12:49 pm (UTC)
1. I don't care about morality and whatnot, I'm just sorry Martel died. I really really liked her, and the fact that she's dead makes me sad. I'm not saying she was good and Bradley's evil; I just miss her. *cries* This series has a bad habit of killing off my favorite characters.

2. . . . . uh, no comment.

3. Again, Seibo is a Japanese word that often is used to represent the Virgin mary by Japanese Christians, but it's original meaning had nothing to do with virginity; it just meant Holy Mother. It was what people called the Emperor's mother in the old days.

4. I think it would be cool if Lust regained her human memories. They've obviously been plaguing her, and I'd like to see what happens if they all rush to the surface. Envy can curl up and die for all I care; now, later, or in the movie, it's a scene I'm gonna enjoy. But yes, I am very curious to find out the origins of Envy, Pride, Gluttony, and also Greed (even if he's dead. *cries again*)

5. I dunno. For me, it's gotten to the point where I'm not even paying attention to the imagery; it's all about the music and the lyrics. It's a very tender song. I thought it was very fitting, fanservice shot notwithstanding.

It seems to me that while the openings are all very similar, the endings are extremely different from eachother. From the lyrics, I've got the idea that Kesenai Tsumi is Ed's ending, Tobira no Mukou he is Al's ending, and Motherland is most definitely Winry's ending. Just what I think, though. (Makes me wonder what the fourth ending will be like . . . it would be nifty if they had an ending for Roy and his staff . . .)
billypilgrim on July 18th, 2004 01:19 pm (UTC)
Yes, I understand the word is just a phrase, but since much of FMA is based off Western Philoshphy (Along with the series taking place in some sort of Psuedo-Early 1900's Europe) that perhaps it could mean the Christian meaning. Just an idea, but what do I know? I'm jewish. xD
breakin' through the doormiss_arel on July 18th, 2004 03:12 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm Wiccan, but I've got a Christian upbringing and religion in general interests me. For all I know the baby was concieve immaculately (read, alchemically); who knows? But please, let's find out, because I'm very curious.
kuromitsukuromitsu on July 18th, 2004 03:20 pm (UTC)
It seems to me that while the openings are all very similar, the endings are extremely different from eachother. From the lyrics, I've got the idea that Kesenai Tsumi is Ed's ending, Tobira no Mukou he is Al's ending, and Motherland is most definitely Winry's ending.

Yay, I'm not the only one who thinks this! ^_^ I think the openings are all "general" songs, kind of conveying the general mood of the series; and I agree on the endings. ^^ I read somewhere (Newtype, I think) that Ed, Al and Winry will have their own character songs, but I find it hard to imagine better image songs for them than the anime EDs.
breakin' through the doormiss_arel on July 18th, 2004 04:14 pm (UTC)
Honto desu ka!!?!!? YAY!!!!!! *has been saying for months that the FMA characters need image songs* That's awesome! Park Romi, Kugimiya Rie, and Toyoguchi Megumi are such great voice actors; I'd love to hear them sing! (And I know for a fact that several suppsrting characters, specifically Lust and Greed, have awesome singing voices.) Here's to image songs!

While we're on the subject of music, anyone know if there are plans to release more FMA soundtracks? Sure hope so . . .

But yes, the EDs all are very very fitting . . . And I love all three of them. (One of them's just inpossible to sing, that's all.)
summerwolf on July 18th, 2004 05:25 pm (UTC)
Here's another one who loves Motherland. =3 I was having a thing against Anime!Winry (it's episode 26...I mean, she KNOWS how important that watch is to Ed, as opposes to the manga)....and then I hear the song and it's like OMGWTF.

I still like the manga Winry better, but that suddenly gave me an idea on how anime Ed/Win is supposed to work. And I really like her now, too. =3
breakin' through the doormiss_arel on July 18th, 2004 05:57 pm (UTC)
I've always been a fabn of Winry, altough there are other characters I like better. But she's got a lot of admirable qualities you don't often see in anime heroines: She's smart, she's tough, she's strong (physically and mentally), she's tech-savvy, she's independent. She can be a little annoying at times, but then, so can the rest of the cast. Go Winry! Grrl power! Wrench o doom!!!
summerwolf on July 20th, 2004 08:06 pm (UTC)
And if you count Manga!Winry, she knows her biology, too. =3

FMA is truly Geek Heaven. (It's established that the Kyoudai are geekwads, Winry is an automail geek, Riza may be sane, but she may also be a gun lover extraordinaire. Roy and Armstrong...although they may not look it, they're probably nerds. They're ALCHEMISTS, after all. Hughes? Hughes is an Alicia geek)
Yuuki Hikari: StopTheRainyuukihikari on July 19th, 2004 12:01 am (UTC)
Rose's Baby (XD Rosemary's Baby..) at first I thought it was Scar's child, but that didn't work out. I doubt they'll say she was rapped, or, since one of the episode's is called "The Virgin Mary", which is giving birth without sex, perhaps someone, an National Alchemist, through Alchemy, pregnated Rose? That'd be very intresting.

... I wonder if the millitary didn't impregnant her deliberatly (rather than rape - they had an ulterior motive). In episode 12 there was mention about how they could use pregnant women to crystalize the red water (which would be used to create the Phillosopher's Stone). I can't recal if they ever mentioned if people could die from this procedure (perhaps it was simply cruel, inhumane, dehabilitating to either party and/or extreemly painful) but I wonder if that's possibly what happened to Roze (it's not like this series to bring up such a circumstance and then never come back to it).

hmm..