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17 July 2004 @ 09:17 pm
Transmutation Circles?  
I don't know if anyone's posted about this before, but... Has anyone else noticed this? The Western style of Alchemy seems to be based heavily on mathematical shapes - triangles, squares, circles, etc. however, "Ishbal's Alchemy" (that's what everyone seems to be calling it, anyways) seems to be more based around organic shapes - i.e. the curves on scar's arm, or on scar's brother, etc.

I wonder if that was a deliberate thing on the author's part? I thought it might be because while in the west alchemy is very scientific, but in the east, it's much more deeply tied in with faith. For those who use alchemy in the west, it's simply a way of easily fixing things, or making things. They use it a lot in every day life a lot - to the point where it takes some serious skill to make people go more than "oh, alchemy!" when they see it. (see episode 4, or 10, and maybe 9... - it's never "oh, wow, that's amazing, what was it?" it's "oh! you're an alchemist? cool!" or something like that.) However, in Ishbal - and the "city that was destroyed in a day" or whatever it's called, too, I suppose - Alchemy seems to be more rooted in faith than science. Thus, they use symbols that look religious rather than mathematical, and focus less on the every day uses of it and more on the large uses - i.e. human transmuatation, making the philosopher's stone, etc etc etc.

Just wondered what other's opinions were on the differences in transmutation circles.


(highlight to read, just in case.)
Oh, and episode 40? OMGWTF. I'm not sure I understood much about this episode... So Martel overheard Pride ordering Kimbly and (maybe?) tucker to kill edward elric, right? and Martel tried to threaten Pride into not donig it, only pride went "PSYCHOBASTARD" on her and toyed with her. when she finally fled, she tried to tell al what was gonig on, and then Pride appeared and killed her. (my initial response to this was literally screaming out loud "WHAT THE FUCKING HELL!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" but I think I have my emotions under control. bet i cry later, when i watch it subbed.) Do I have it right so far? And then he asked al if al was all right, walked away, and left al to see The Truth (one assumes).

Man, this series is getting gory. And why was lyla with rose? I couldn't udnerstand a word of her explanation besides something about scar, and comparing him (?) to Dante. I got that his plan was to use the transmutation circle he had created to kill the soldiers and make a philosopher's stonn with them, so... yeah.

and why did kimbly not die when al locked him inside that rock thing and let the wall kimbly had tried to blow up blow up with him right next to it? pissed me off, that did.
Current Mood: geekygeeky
Current Music: Crickets! no, seriously.
Bubblewrap Junkie: Brothersmaileigh on July 17th, 2004 10:03 pm (UTC)
That's an interesting thing to concider. I shall ponder it for awhile. But for now I must ask where do you go to find the episodes? I've been having a hard time finding anything past ep 24. Not to mention being too busy to go searching for em. Any help and I would glomp be eternaly greatful to you.
skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:06 pm (UTC)
Well, Spoon has several episodes (it was like... 31 to 38?) up at their tracker (though it looks like they have jsut updated their tracker with a new version, because the tracker looks different and doesn't have any files up on it.)

Boxtorrents used to have a 1~26 pack up for DL, but now that ADV threatened them ,they've been down as far as I know... as for 27~29, I'm afraid you're on your own. A lot of people around here probably still have those episodes, however, so you mgiht want to try to DL them from someone who has them through AIM.
skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:45 pm (UTC)
Also, http://spoon.co.nr/ has eps 1~31 up as a pack. if you have azureus, you can select individual episodes to DL from the pack, so... if you don't have it, I reccomend you get it. Azureus
breakin' through the door: Cast me gentlymiss_arel on July 17th, 2004 10:05 pm (UTC)
Interesting observation about the transmutation circles. Could well be.

As for 40 . . .

A) Sounds about right. You got more out of it than I did. It would explain why martel got so mad.

B) I don't know what the fuck is up with Lila. I dunno if she's a homonculus or what, but she sure as hell isn't some humble alchemist like she pretends to be.

C) Kimbly's like a cockroach. A very sexy cockroach, but a cockroach nonetheless. He just won't die.

*still upset* Hebi-chan . . . *sniff*
skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:12 pm (UTC)
c) - XD That's great. now i have this image of a cockroach with kimbly's head running around managing to avoid dying every time. XDDDDD

you've just made my bleak evening a little more cheery.
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on July 17th, 2004 10:07 pm (UTC)
Well in Ishbal, it can't be religious/about faith, their goddess forbids it. But they call it the Great Art is I remember correctly, and their signs do look much more artsy. The western side is pretty fonctional. Alchemy is just about directing energy for a certain purpose it seems, there are different ways to go about it.

After seeing the flashback with Scar and his brother, I was twice as happy about what Al did to Kimblee and yes I too wanted him to be dead. X_X All the nice people die and the bad ones live on. ;_; But, at least Al gets clappy hands thing now, right?

Overall, Ed and Al were so cool. Al needs love right now, lots of it. >_< And suddenly I kinda like Gluttony. He was...nice. I wonder what will happen with Lust, now that she keeps getting those flashbacks (and Sloth, maybe).
skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:10 pm (UTC)
We can hope Al get's the clappy hand thing... Not sure, though. I was expecting him to make some sort of indication that he was seeing THE TRUTH at the end of 40, but he just kinda sat there making noises that sounded vaguely like a suit of armour trying to vomit - which is what I think they were. you'd vomit too if a dead person whom you liked a lot was in your stomach.

and, also, well, their god/goddess forbids it now, but I got the impression that it wasn't always the case - if it had always been forbidden, why would they call it "The Great Art"? If it had always been forbidden, I'd assume it would have been called "The forbidden art" or "The abomination" or something.
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on July 17th, 2004 10:31 pm (UTC)
Is it me, or it's the first time Al 'freaks' over somebody's death? Like, he was sad for Nina, but didn't react all that much. Here he's making sounds that first sound like he's going to start bawling, then yea, like if he's sick.

*checks* You're right, the guy said it was called The Great Art and Ishbal prospered through it before it was sealed. Mn.
skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:39 pm (UTC)
It was the first time he freaked out, but then, it's the first time the death happened in front of him. With nina, they just found the body, and he never SAW greed's body, or lore/Law's, or... what's his name, Darsche? the dog-guy... (he was really cool too. T_T) He knew they were dead, but it didn't happen right in front of them, and he didn't really know them that well.

With Martel, though, she was killed in front of him - hell, inside of him - by someone he respects and knows, and he probably could have done something if he hadn't frozen when he saw the furher.
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on July 17th, 2004 10:46 pm (UTC)
Dorchet is dog guy.

Al pretty much takes things like they come I suppose. He wasn't there, they're dead, the end. He's soft, but much more rational than his brother. Edward thinks everything is entirely his fault. >.>

skeptischlelldorin on July 17th, 2004 10:50 pm (UTC)
Then again, everything kind of IS his fault. most events in this anime occured as a result of him trying to bring his mother back (and, if I remember, making Al help him), and failing. I mean, Wrath being born wasn't, and neither was the ishbal thing, or any of the lust+bruce stuff etc etc...