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28 June 2010 @ 02:03 am
A question to those of you who did NOT like the way the manga ended...  

Would your opinion of the ending change if Ed was still able to do alchemy?

After much thought on how the manga ended, I came to the conclusion that the one part that I hated the most was that Ed was supposedly no longer able to perform alchemy. (I don't think Ed is as alchemy-less as we're being led to believe.) It reminded me much too much of sad lonely alchemy-less Ed in Conqueror of Shambala. If only this one thing had been different (I have an idea of how), I honestly believe I would be totally fine with the ending. Anyone feel the same?

 
 
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「 JL 」: D.N. Angel - Uhhhhh ;;;jlarinda on June 28th, 2010 06:06 am (UTC)
Shouldn't you be cutting for spoilers?
amethyst_konekoamethyst_koneko on June 28th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
*HEADDESK* crap. I forgot. fixed.
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now all i wanna hear is my message beeprebirthings on June 28th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
I think I would have liked it better, but in any case I'm satisfied. (:

Oy, I think you should add a cut, in case people haven't finished the manga yet.
amethyst_konekoamethyst_koneko on June 28th, 2010 06:12 am (UTC)
Good to know I'm not alone! :)

Yeah, I'm a dork for forgetting the cut thing. I'm always doing that. *^_^*
dzioo: BOBdzioo on June 28th, 2010 06:13 am (UTC)
as much as I LOVE the ending, yes, that one part is a little cruel and sad in my opinion as well. however, the more I look at his happy face in the last pages, the more I think about his new goal and his new adventures and how HE seems to be satisfied and happy, the more happy I am. in CoS, Ed and Al were both left out in a world not only without the possibility of performing alchemy, but with no alchemical knowledge at all. what is more, without any person they knew, valued and loved. here it's different. Ed gave up his alchemy with full knowledge of the consequences. he'll make himself useful even without it. he's a genious alchemist still, he may use whoever there is to check his theories. and there may still be possibilities to recover his Doors

sorry if it's not the opinion you expected^^;
amethyst_konekoamethyst_koneko on June 28th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
I'm not expecting for any opinion to agree with mine. :) I'm just curious what others think and I like that theory of yours about the possibility of recovering those Doors! :D I already have an idea that Ed might not be as alchemy-less as we think he is! ^_^
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Grygongrygon on June 28th, 2010 06:17 am (UTC)
I didn't have a problem with him not doing alchemy anymore (tho it was sad!) but I HATED the "omg they has chiluns!" picture. I guess that was Arakawa's vision but to me it just made no friggin' sense and was total bunk.

Ed goes from "oh nice view, I guess taking my time to do things now ain't too bad" to "omg i has to travel again I hate being cooped up" to "look, kid!"??? Really? I never saw him as one to settle down much less make the exact same mistake as his own father.

And Mai with Al?! *BARF* WHERE did that come from?
Aalt Conn: rgveda:Hmmm?alkahestapeiron on June 28th, 2010 06:53 am (UTC)
Exact same mistake as his father? How so?
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Grygongrygon on June 28th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
OH and not to mention Winry was more like a sister to him than ever ever a romantic interest. Even when they "proposed" to each other I didn't think they'd actually marry and touch each other in more ways than brothers and sisters do. *BARFBARFBARF!*
Totchitoshi_hakari on June 28th, 2010 08:04 am (UTC)
Actually, there were a LOT of hints throughout the series that Ed was going to end up with Winry. Arakawa is good at hinting without people realizing at first, but in that case, it was pretty obvious.
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enemy to sleepenemytosleep on June 28th, 2010 06:23 am (UTC)
Yes, this was the hardest part of the ending for me to accept. I get it, it's how she wanted things to end up, o in that sense I am happy ... but I am very sad that it went that way. Oh well, that is what fanfic is for!
Blyssedarkblysse on June 28th, 2010 06:25 am (UTC)
That's exactly what fanfic is for.

I'd rather that Alfons didn't die in CoS (what do you mean he died? Lies and slander!), so I write fic about him and Edward fucking. I make my own ending and don't bitch about it.
Magic Kaito: Ling- Shiny Teethkaitodoushi on June 28th, 2010 07:37 am (UTC)
As much as I started bawling when he lost his alchemy, at the same time I really don't hate it. Since the story was called Fullmetal Alchemist, I think it's appropriate that the end of the story comes when there's no longer a Fullmetal Alchemist. Otherwise there'd be a lot more of us to ask for. Could just be my inner writer talking, but I liked that.


My peeve is not enough information about the side characters in the epilogue, but that's just me being whiny XD
causmicfire: buckystrandedthought on June 28th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
THIS!

I thought it fit so well for the end, and was pretty sure it was coming one way or another.

Also having the same let down about side characters...
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remaintobreatheremaintobreathe on June 28th, 2010 07:55 am (UTC)
I do not hate that he lost his alchemy that much, actually, despite the fact that I'm majorly disappointed in the ending. I actually sort of like that he lost the alchemy, however, I don't approve of how it was done. That was never something he even thought of sacrificing why did the thought randomly slam him in the head and say 'OH! If I can't transmute stuff we can have Al back! :3' and if he had, at some point, realized that sooner why didn't her just do it?

But as much as I dislike the ending it's the authors story allow her to do with it as she wishes, she is the God that gave us FMA after all, and I'll just fanfic the hell out of it to get my own ending, probably with Ed's alchemy intact <3
PikaBot: riza hawkeyepikabot on June 28th, 2010 09:10 am (UTC)
Well, if he had, then there wouldn't be a story.

More serious answer: Yes, in the technical sense, Ed could have done that right from the start. Much like how Dorothy could have returned to Kansas at any time. However, in order to perceive the option, the journey they went on was necessary, as it helped him develop both knowledge and maturity. Without the intimate knowledge of the gate and how alchemy works that he gained over the course of the series, it's an option that would never have even occurred to him. And as for maturity...

Well. The Truth operates on one simple rule: there are no free lunches. It'll give you what you want, but in return, you lose something of equal value. If you want to take back what you lost to it, you have to give up something else of equal value. Trying to get something from the Truth traps you in a cycle of loss: losing something, trying to get it back, and then losing something else in return.

There's two ways out of that cycle: you either accept what you lost (like Izumi did) or you steal from someone else in order to retrieve it (via a philosopher's stone). The Elric brothers rejected both of these possibilities. So, what they were searching for during their journey was a way to play the system; trying to get a free lunch out of the Truth.

But that can't be done. And in order to see the third option, to see that the way out of that cycle was to trade away your ability to ever participate in it, Ed needed to mature enough to accept the reality of the situation.
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selenityshiroiselenityshiroi on June 28th, 2010 08:17 am (UTC)
A question to those of you who did NOT like the way the manga ended...
I don't feel sad for Ed because he obviously doesn't feel sad for himself.

He had a moment of wistful rememberence as he fixed the roof but it didn't last long and it wasn't mournful.

Ed is obviously content with his ending. The endings I'm less happy with are the one where we never got to see the characters content with their new lives *cough*Roy*cough*Riza*cough*.
Ketitaketita on June 28th, 2010 11:05 am (UTC)
Re: A question to those of you who did NOT like the way the manga ended...
My problem is that I honestly... can't really buy Ed's happiness. The whole ending seemed aimed to get rid of any potential consequences, and I just don't believe there aren't any. Had we been shown even a bit of regret on his part, or him struggling - I would have been able to believe he found happiness in the end.
armor-alchemist: EMOOOarmoralchemist on June 28th, 2010 08:34 am (UTC)
Manga!Ed is not anime!emo!Ed.

I think he is coping with no-alchemy just fine. ^_^

If I were to complain about the manga ending I'd complain about something else, lol
Barking at the windevil_little_dog on June 28th, 2010 10:55 am (UTC)
Have already written a story about this. *shrug* Strike while the anvil is hot and all.
Ketitaketita on June 28th, 2010 11:15 am (UTC)
For me, I think that the alchemy thing was what sealed it. Had that not happened, I would have been kinda "meh", and probably mostly gone ficcing on my merry way.
IMO the whole thing was just too pat - everything was fine, everything was perfect. Big Bad was gone and yay.
Ed losing his alchemy was what sent me over the edge, because why does HE have to be the ONLY ONE who pays a price?
And like I said in another comment, I don't buy it. He traded his alchemy for Al's body, but he did not gain anything else in return. There is nothing morally superior to fixing a roof by hand over fixing it quickly and efficiently with alchemy.
And I don't buy that Ed will now become the quiet epitome of a super-adjusted human being. Ed fixing a roof is a waste.

I mostly tell myself that he gets it back in some way (by doing alchemy through Al's Doors, by discovering some new type of alchemy that does work, by having a time vortex follow him around, go figure).

This ending also made me realize some of why I DID like the end of the first anime. There, even without alchemy Ed was putting his scientific knowledge to use - building rockets. And everybody ended up having to deal with the aftermath of what had happened.

Conclusion: I'm with you. If not for the alchemy thing, I wouldn't have been AMAZED by the ending, but I would have been way more okay with it.
「 JL 」: D.N. Angel - Well...jlarinda on June 28th, 2010 02:06 pm (UTC)
He traded his alchemy for Al's body, but he did not gain anything else in return.

Uhhh his brother? Peace of mind, now that he's finally managed to restore Al's body to normal?

This ending also made me realize some of why I DID like the end of the first anime. There, even without alchemy Ed was putting his scientific knowledge to use - building rockets.

But who says Ed won't be putting his scientific knowledge to use during his new journey? Al says they'll help out people, that they'll both study and learn things from different parts of the world, etc. I doubt Ed will spend his entire trip fixing random people's roofs or something.
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runciblesporkrunciblespork on June 28th, 2010 12:52 pm (UTC)
As much as it breaks my heart to see any Ed cut off from alchemy (it's such an integral part of who he is in all parts of his story), I felt very satisfied by his final sacrifice and the realizations/epiphany he had.

While he and Al were on their journey and quest, part of their growth is in learning to trust and work with others, not relying on only themselves or thinking of it as their mission that others shouldn't get involved in. Of course, there are other reasons why it fits for me (some of which are posted by others above), but I'm a little muddled headed today.

What I didn't care for in the ending was the pairing up photos. I simply can't believe that an older Al and May (or Mei... I get a little confused on the spelling) need to or should be linked in the "happy family" photo. While it's nice to have a contrast to the original Elric family photo (and the one pic showing Havoc in pt made me cheer), the photo collage wasn't necessary when you've got such a large fan base that will elaborate on their own ideas of what happened after. I had closure of the story without that spread. Besides, I'm like Hawkeye in the post-CoS chibi party short---pairing up all the main characters is unnecessary. Sorry, but I just see her, in the manga, as a young girl with major crushes on hero figures.
Ketita: ed - dawnketita on June 28th, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
part of their growth is in learning to trust and work with others, not relying on only themselves or thinking of it as their mission that others shouldn't get involved in

They had learned this way before the end of the series, though... teamwork has been the theme for ages now. It didn't strike me as quite so groundbreaking at the end there. Ditto with refusing to sacrifice anybody else, they came to that conclusion pretty early on.
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ღ annie: FMA [Lust & Envy real or what?]azure15 on June 28th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
Question.

Am I the only one with the idea of the photo montage as something that "could" happen rather than "will" happen?

Hear me out, it's all in the order of the pages. Or mainly the fact that it's spliced in before we see Ed get on the train. If it were the other way around, yeah, I'd agree hands down that it was what happened.

But given it was before.. I don't know, I get the feeling it's more of a "yay this can happen!" as opposed to "this WILL happen".
Arthur: Al - ^D^cxrdevil on June 28th, 2010 04:37 pm (UTC)
That is actually a really good point I like that it's much less silly happy ending than hopes and dreams
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Arthur: Ed - I'm the bombcxrdevil on June 28th, 2010 04:36 pm (UTC)
The end of FMA reminds me of the end of Chrono Crusade a lot so I'm not sure if I'm speaking 100% for Ed, but Ed without his alchemy here is not sad defeated Ed from CoS. Even that Edward knew he was lost when he didn't know anybody around him and didn't really have his little brother. Ed and Al mean the world to each other, and yeah, giving up that part of himself to be with Al and the rest of their dear friends was a blow but it was totally worth it. That was the best way to get Al's body back without causing suffering for more people, and while alchemy is very important to him, it's not him and he can live just fine without it because he has EVERYTHING ELSE.
Ed isn't really the arrogant kid who was telling Rose to stop believing in god and listing off a human recipe before angsting around in Cornello's cavern. I'm sure he'd like to have his alchemy back and that he's learned how to not toy with consequences, but he doesn't need it as long as he's got the rest of the world. Which is open to him now because the one thing he would have, at one point, died for, has been achieved and so it's really not such a big deal that he's no longer a wizard.

also roy can keep him in line now, secretly the colonel was pulling the strings the whole time to de-power ed