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24 June 2010 @ 12:40 pm
Thoughts about Roy in the Final Chapter  



Okay I have been thinking that to get back his sight Roy might have possibly given up alchemy in the end too.

Okay yes I know he used Marcoh's philoshoper stone but would that have given Roy his sight back and got him out of the doors.

If you remember in the chapter Roy says I wish I could do what Fullmetal did and use my own door as a toll but then there wouldn't be a way back. Of course then Marcoh holds up the philosopher stone and says can use this a toll. But would that have been enough to get his sight back and to get him back from the doors?

Al exchanges his soul for Ed's arm and is stuck in the doors. Ed gives up his doors to get Al and him out but he doesn't get back the leg he lost. I am also thinking of the time Ed uses Envy's philosopher stone to get them out of Gluttony. It seemed he could only use that as a passage fee and that was not enough to get anything he lost back.

Of course maybe I am thinking about this too much. I guess if Arakawa wanted us to think Roy couldn't use alchemy anymore she would have said as much but I don't know it just something that suddenly came to me.


edit Okay schellibie pointed out a logical reason why this theory is wrong. The reason why Roy said he would not be able to get back if he gives up his alchemy is because he would have to give up his doors and then he would have no way out. Ed was able to get back because he went through Al's doors. So yeah I am wrong. :)


 
 
Lorelei: Char(FMAB)- Roy is pissed the eff offlaurahonest on June 24th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
I think Ed could have gotten his leg back when he used Envy's stone but he and Al vowed that they wouldn't use a stone to restore their bodies. Also Ed didn't use all of the stone's power or Envy would have died since the stone is what gave him life.

I also think that Roy can still use alchemy because the stone should have been more than enough toll, he may even still have the stone when he gets back, since the one in Envy brought 3 people back and lasted a long time after, remember Roy had to kill him a LOT when he found out about Hughes.
Kim: Roy Mustangkirarakim on June 24th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
I think Ed could have gotten his leg back when he used Envy's stone but he and Al vowed that they wouldn't use a stone to restore their bodies..

This is true but getting him limbs back didn't even seem to be an option at the time.

You are possibly right that the stone would have been enough to get both Roy's sight back and get him out of the doors. I guess my issue is we never saw this specifically happen.

Of course I do think my theory is out there since I believe Arakawa would let us know if this was true. :)
Lorelei: Char(DGM) Lavi smileslaurahonest on June 24th, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
This is true but getting him limbs back didn't even seem to be an option at the time.

I am not sure it even crossed Ed's mind. He was so focused on getting back that he didn't seem to be thinking of anything else at that point. Ed has a one track mind sometimes lol.

I guess my issue is we never saw this specifically happen.
I agree, there were quite a few things left hanging that I wanted more explanation for!
r: Roy backhelpimtiredyo on June 24th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
Hmm, that's a really good point that I hadn't really considered yet. I wish there was a way we could find out if it were true though!
Kim: Hagaren Girlskirarakim on June 24th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
Thanks I am probably wrong though XD

I sort of hope Arakawa comes out with a final guide book that clears up some of these little things.
flybynight00flybynight00 on June 24th, 2010 05:32 pm (UTC)
And reveals that Roy and Izumi are siblings. (Sometimes I have a one track mind too.) 8D
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: love rebornlotuseyes on June 24th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
if not siblings, cousins. >.> the two of them could be awfully similar at times...

I want to see more Izumi/Olivier time. The world would shudder in defeat if they so much as hinted at teaming up.
rhelpimtiredyo on June 24th, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
Ah, that would be the best! My fingers are crossed.
Searching for my home...: Ed in Rainfaeriegal713 on June 24th, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
My thoughts are that the Philosopher's Stone is made up of many, many souls and the toll for recovering his eyes would be one soul while the passage back through the gate another soul, or the knowledge of the gate itself, whichever. The gatekeeper could have insisted that Roy had to use his own resources rather than the Philosopher's Stone, but the point there was that Roy, like Ed, gave the right answer as to why they should be allowed passage as he requested.

At least that was how I read and interpreted the gatekeeper's response to Roy and insisted upon some sort of answer rather than just taking whatever he chose. He could have refused to accept the proffered payment, which would have left Roy in a rather uncomfortable situation.
Kim: Edward Elrickirarakim on June 24th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
You might be right giving the right answer and the P.Stone might have been enough to cover both things.
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: dreamlotuseyes on June 24th, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
I live in hope that Arakawa does one-shot comics featuring the characters in their lives after. Like Yoko Kamio did with Hana Yori Dango or Kaoru Mori with Emma Bangaihen.

ジェニイ 「Jenny」kirchu on June 24th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)
Oh, I would so read the one-shots. :p
Kim: Edward Elrickirarakim on June 24th, 2010 07:26 pm (UTC)
Well I don't know about one shots but I am still wondering if there will be a gaiden in the final volume. And maybe if she does come out with another guide book there could be a gaiden in that too. Although this could just be wishful thinking. :D
andromakhe001andromakhe001 on June 25th, 2010 06:20 am (UTC)
It could also have something to do with HOW he lost his eyesight. Roy didn't choose to go through the gate, he was forced against his will. That also may have accounted for something when deciding on whether the toll would be enough. There is really no reason that he'd be expected to give up something personal to regain his eyesight(like Alchemy or whatever) when he didn't go through the gate in the first place for personal reasons..

In a way it's a sort of equivalent exchange, Roy had lost his sight unfairly, he was forced through. So it kind of makes sense that he could use the PS for toll to regain it and also keep what he gained(the clappy alchemy). Sort of like a compensation for "pain and suffering" in an accident claim. :D


Kim: Roy Mustangkirarakim on June 25th, 2010 01:58 pm (UTC)
At this point I think Roy would have been able to use the P.Stone even if he didn't lose his sight unfairly. I think Truth doesn't look at things like that but I do think that is the reason Arakawa gave Roy back his sight (maybe she is like Truth LOL)

I really would have liked to have seen the scene between Roy & Truth. :)
armor-alchemistarmoralchemist on June 25th, 2010 07:58 am (UTC)
sorry about the e-mail spam... I'm such a HTML fail today.

I know he used Marcoh's philoshoper stone but would that have given Roy his sight back and got him out of the doors.

Yes. That stone was enough for a round trip. Ed was a "special case" that he could still leave without his door because Al was his plan B. ^_^ Ed is the only person who lost "alchemy" at the end. Al, Izumi, Roy and every other alchemist in the world can still use alchemy without a problem.
Kim: Happy Alkirarakim on June 25th, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
Ed is the only person who lost "alchemy" at the end. Al, Izumi, Roy and every other alchemist in the world can still use alchemy without a problem.

Yeah I understood that losing alchemy was not something that happened to everyone. I just thought maybe Roy sacrificed his alchemy too to get his sight back.

Of course I realize I am 100% wrong because Roy literally would not be able to get back (no doors) if he did. I was obviously not thinking about every possibility when I made that theory. XD
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemist: Smiling Royductapealchemst on June 27th, 2010 12:15 pm (UTC)
I still stick to my notion that the gate first took Roy's eyesight by messing with either his optic nerve or a small portion of his brain that processes vision. Given all the hints that Doc Marcoh uses PS to heal VERY SERIOUS injuries (for instance, the implications that Marcoh has been working on Havoc's back, a spinal injury--a NERVE injury) it stands to reason that Marcoh just used the PS to heal Roy, and thus the Gate (or Truth, more accurately, as it can be said that the Gate is involved in every single alchemical transaction, whether the Alchemist is aware of this fact or not) was not involved in the process at all. At least, that's how I was reading the significance of Marcoh having a PS: it meant that he could use it to heal Roy's sight (by repairing the optic nerve, or perhaps, his brain. My money's on the optic nerve, though).