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13 February 2010 @ 01:21 am
the DUB (@ Katsucon)  
So I totally last-minuted my way down to Katsucon tonight (Friday) since there was word that they'd be playing the dub. And I had been at Otakon when CoS premiered, and that was a bunch of squeeing fangirly fun, so I was thinking that despite it hitting the airwaves tomorrow night, despite suddenly finding ourselves dropped in the middle of the Borean Tundra, that it'd be fun to go tonight anyways. And, well, my 8 year old thought it would be FUN too (she's a little pissed that I won't read the subtitles to her, and she can't read quite that quickly yet). So we had an evening out . . .

Alphonse . . . the first episode just didn't sound right. And not because of the voice, but because of a lack of tinny-ness. The voice came across more muffled than anything else. I'm hoping that it had something to do with the setup or the disc we were watching or whatevs. About midway into the first episode the tinny-ness sounded as it had before. There were several points during the second and third episodes where I couldn't tell that it wasn't Aaron. So yeah, naturally, not every sound is exactly the same, but, it is definitely still Alphonse.

What I could appreciate more from this viewing than from sub-watching (being that my Japanese is, well, nonexistent) is how badass Alphonse is in the FMAB/manga universe. I mean, I've read the manga (every last spoilery bit of it!) so I know Alphonse is quite a different character, but, wow, the first episode so takes advantage of that detail. The first episode isn't in the manga, I know someone in the community has probably cited the source of it, but at any rate, being that the studio had a lot of scripting to do there, they totally took advantage of that fact and threw in some very nicely coordinated fight scenes. Yeah, I've seen them before from watching the subs, but really, now that my eyes are not so busy reading, there's A LOT more to actually see in the animation. This is why I play on both teams-I can appreciate the original work, but, for me, to fully be able to just really take in the visuals, I need to be able to watch and understand at the same time. Maybe someday I'll just understand the Japanese, but that day sure an't here yet.

So, some interesting tidbits: neither Al's VA Maxey Whitehead nor Vic are aware of the story. Neither one has (read the manga-I'm 90% sure they said that tonight-or) watched the second Anime. Al's VA Maxey did not watch the 1st Anime before auditioning. Actually, she really didn't know much of anything about the series until getting through some of the callbacks, and then she could tell from how everyone else was treating it that it was something 'big' (I'm totally paraphrasing here, so if anyone has corrections, please comment away). So, eerily enough, at times she's able to nail Aaron's Alphonse without ever having heard it.

So, that's the piddly amount of the q&a I was able to hear before I had to scram because of child malfunction :/

I'm reserving final judgement on the audio until after I see it on [as] or maybe on the box set (spring birthday, hehe) where the audio is a bit  better controlled.   

So, yeah, surprisingly no where near as much Squeeing as CoS. Could be just a very different crowd tho. And, well, the pro is that I could actually hear it this time around :-D

edited (now that I'm awake) to include Maxey Whitehead's name
edited a second time because I was not awake enough to realize I was using rich text and not html and therefore it didn't read the fraking tags. meh.
 
 
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rika24rika24 on February 13th, 2010 06:32 am (UTC)
how many episodes did you watch? and did Vic and Travis still sound good as Ed and Roy?
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemistductapealchemst on February 13th, 2010 06:42 am (UTC)
the first THREE episodes were shown. Which was good, considering where the second episode leaves off (2-3 are the Lior arc, so, to not be left hanging . . .)

With [as] reairing the first anime, I've had their Ed and Roy recently in my ears . . . sometimes it sounded the same and sometimes not, and I don't know if that was THEM or if it was being in a large room with blaring speakers and the variances that come from that. Or, maybe it's just because the characters were voiced just a little bit different because really, they ARE different characters than from the first anime.
Irene Shafer: Edward Elric Does Ballet by piece of hopibshafer on February 13th, 2010 06:32 am (UTC)
Am very excited for tomorrow night and just wanted to go on record as agreeing with you 100% (re: subs vs dubs) and for exactly the same reason.

I get so much more out of the story when I can understand the words playing alongside the emotion in the voices, and yes, you get more out of the action when you're not having to focus so much on the bottom of the screen to read.

So, yay! and bring it on!!

alchemyotaku75: YouWishhaganeneko on February 13th, 2010 06:44 am (UTC)
Still reserving my opinion until I see the dubbed eps--I've gotten so used the the Japanese VAs that it will be an adjustment, but I'll be glad to actually see the action, art and color pallet.

It's too bad Vic and the others couldn't have read the manga--then they would have understood that the Ed and Al in Brotherhood are very different than the Ed and Al in the first series and may have adjusted their portrayals.
The Binary Alchemist: bluebirdbinaryalchemist on February 13th, 2010 10:32 am (UTC)
I think Vic and the others could have read it if they wanted to--there was no prohibition of it and anybody can either go online or your local bookstore and read the manga. I know if I were a VA I'd definitely want to read them to know my character better...
alchemyotaku75haganeneko on February 13th, 2010 10:29 pm (UTC)
Oops--looks like I didn't make myself clear. That happens when I leave comments at 3:00am. XD

What I meant was, it's too bad Vic and the others didn't take the time or have the time to read the manga. I know they're very busy, that VAs work on several projects at once, but I still stand by the fact that it might have positively influenced their portrayals for Brotherhood.

Either way, I hope  ductapealchemst  has a blast at Katsucon!
The Binary Alchemistbinaryalchemist on February 13th, 2010 10:40 pm (UTC)
Oh, I definitely agree. Especially since Vic identifies himself with Ed so much. Seems to me that reading the original source material would be all to the good...
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemistductapealchemst on February 14th, 2010 02:04 am (UTC)
Awh, thanks. Only went for the evening tho, just for FMA. Squee! If Katsucon is at the same venue next year, I am SO finding a way to get there and stay there, it's an awesome venue (Gaylord National Harbor). Actually, doing Oliver cosplay in the winter wouldn't be bad . . . I'd love to play her but I just can't fathom doing her (or really, any Amestris blues) at Otakon.

There are so many schools of thought on character development. I know some actors obsess with research and others work with the bare minimums and extrapolate from what they have (e.g., the script)--I just enjoy finding out what each does for their own work.
havocmangawip: Gunbu Backuphavocmangawip on February 14th, 2010 03:13 am (UTC)
I do love hearing about the process VAs use for characterization.

I'm WITH You on summer cosplays! I'm going to AKon and I'm doing Izumu Curtis for that exact reason! I can TAKE her jacket off. The wig is another story... it's going to be a BEAR to do it correctly and HEAVY... but completely worth it!

I'm glad you had a good time!
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemist: Ten Snowductapealchemst on February 14th, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)
I always figured that if I were going to cosplay Izumi that I'd have my sister (who actually is a stylist) do this type of box "braid"

http://lelasbraiding.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/k-twist-video-cover+copy12.gif

because it's done with fake hair, so, I could make the braids very dark brown, and these are thicker and more cord-like as Izumi's are (but probably a little thinner than what's pictured). And would be more breathing than a real wig.

However, being that I'd have free labor, and all I'd need to buy is the hair, I can't say that I have an honest guess as to what this would actually cost vs. a wig. (And yes, I'm white, my sister tells me she'd be able to do the braids in my hair, just that they'd probably not last as long (week to two weeks, a month tops, versus 1-2 months-sometimes longer) as my natural hair is quite smooth and they'd slip off sooner).
havocmangawip: Fuuhavocmangawip on February 14th, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
That is seriously awesome! Unfortunately I use my "natural" hair for Fuu from "Samurai Champloo". (Dunno what I'm gonna do with these bangs... grow them I suppose!)

I'm going to buy a nice base wig and then sew in more wefts and start at it. (To get the bulk I'm going to add in silk embroidery floss in the braids.)

(THAT was the year I had the wig... now I have my own hair.)
havocmangawip: Sciezka Ed and Al- Victolyhavocmangawip on February 13th, 2010 07:05 am (UTC)
Maybe Mike asked Aaron's Mom if the studio could borrow her really big stainless steel mixing bowl again! *After the first episode... * (They'd put it over Aaron's head for Al... and Jerry Jewell's for Barry the Chopper. XD)
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemistductapealchemst on February 14th, 2010 02:28 am (UTC)
Oh yes, the bowl! Haha. I had forgotten that it had actually belonged to Aaron's mom.
never seen by waking eyes.: chibiusa/hotaru ೡ you found mebodyline on February 13th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
Maybe they lost Aaron's Bowl? It has been like... several years now since they last used it, I imagine they'd have a hard time finding The Exact Same Bowl.

And all the cast members have said before that they don't read the manga. None of them really do, it's not just Vic and Maxey. I forget who it was who talked about, I think maybe Chris Sabat? Who talked about how they do so much work with the anime that when they go home and on their free time the last thing any of them want to do is watch some anime or do anything that remotely involves Japanese, even if they are fans. That's just not how they want to spend their time, and to be fair, the anime and manga are different. Even the manga and Brotherhood have some differences. Their job is to be faithful to the Japanese version of the anime, not the manga, so they're not obligated to read it.
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemist: Ten Snowductapealchemst on February 14th, 2010 02:09 am (UTC)
Professions that are a lifestyle are few and far between--it's good to be able to leave work at work. I just enjoy finding out about how each actor (or VA) handles his or her role.

T-minus 3 hours and counting XP
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: cynicallotuseyes on February 13th, 2010 05:15 pm (UTC)
#1--yeah I saw CoS when it premiered at Otakon in 2006...it was more or less the reason I went in the first place quite honestly XD My boyfriend was all pissy that year because I wouldn't let him see the Hellsing OVA's instead, but omg I did so fangirl over CoS.

#2-- ;-; I was gonna bankrupt myself to go see the dub at Katsucon. I really wanted to see it so badly. I guess i'll save my fangirling for tonight ::sigh::
Arthur: Al - ^D^cxrdevil on February 13th, 2010 05:47 pm (UTC)
I hope we're having a party to watch the premiere on [as] tonight, because I have heard good things about Maxey in this post and other places before and I'm pretty psyched. Also, new anime!! Not having to read the subs!!
They probably had to buy back the Bowl from whichever mad fan stole it (lol okay, maybe not, but it's entirely plausible)

And yeah, most VAs don't really read the manga (even a lot of the seiyuu in Japan don't.) I think most of the people who go in knowing the comic/ending of their shows are the ones who were already fans, like Greg Ayres. Some voice actors end up reading it eventually if they really loved their show.


Edited at 2010-02-13 05:47 pm (UTC)
r: Dean and Sam LOLLERCOPTERhelpimtiredyo on February 13th, 2010 11:08 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the details. Now I'm more pumped up to hear the dub.

I lovelovelove your icon, by the way. <3
Krys, the Duct Tape Alchemist: Ten Snowductapealchemst on February 14th, 2010 02:18 am (UTC)
just a few more hours *grin*

and, thank you. Being that we're drowningsuffocating in snow here, I had to use it :D
the cosplayin' cat lady: edgeymochavalentino on February 15th, 2010 01:36 am (UTC)
I'm glad it was good. I wanted to watch them, but I figured the fangirling surrounding the event would be too much and hightailed it out of the con around 10.

I did see Maxey on Saturday morning, and while she isn't Aaron, she was adorable :3