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15 December 2009 @ 10:45 am
Wondering about the Truth (SPOILERS for Manga chapter 102)  
Hai hai another question about the Truth. Now since not everyone has seen chapter 102 DO NOT CLICK THE LINK IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE SPOILED!

Is that clear?

Okay, this has been bugging me a while and well... might as well speculate since we won't know another thing before next month (argh they are soooo draging it ;.; )

Okay Truth, way back when Ed meets the truth for the first time. Truth has his leg. Then later Truth has his leg AND his arm. If Truth had taken Roy's eyes... wouldn't Roy see Truth with his eyes? He doesn't... and since the price has been paid for his passage with the life of the Head scientist, why would the Truth ask him for a toll? I think Roy is totally faking it because Roy wouldn't make such a spectacle of himself if he was indeed blind... so I am thinking he's faking it. I could be wrong only Hiromu sama knows for sure.

the second point about Truth... I think when you meet the Truth, he's "wearing" what was taken from you. He doesn't need them but Truth uses it as to show it's got power over you. Hence, when alphonse speaks to his body... He speaks with the TRUTH... The Truth is wearing his form when he speaks to Al... which brings me to a very bad conclusion... what Truth has taken, you can't bring back. This is what Truth using Al's body is saying: Your return may bring nothing more than despair and ruin. That was Alphonse one and only chance to get back his body and he sacrificed his chance for his friends. THAT is Alphonse's toll, I think for something like the Truth Time isn't something that is linear or of consequence.

His sentence might also mean that now that Al has come back, Father has all 5 sacrifices and can proceed with the rest of his plans. If Al had taken back his body, he wouldn't no longer be the same Al and they wouldn't be able to use him as a sacrifice.

but I am a bit intrigued how all this will play through... I'm not seeing a happy ending if you ask me. I am also curious how Greedling, May and Scar will tip the scales. FMA is really keeping me guessing at what is coming next and I know she put red herrings and dropped hints in earlier parts but darn... I just can;t figure out what is Father's ultimate plan... Is it to great the mother of all Philosopher stones? or something much more sinister?
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ღ annie: FMA [Al and Ed]azure15 on December 15th, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
It's been stated several times that when Truth was speaking to Al, he was talking about if Al returns to his armoured body, he'll bring about despair because he would be the fifth sacrifice needed for Father's scheme. Truth seems pretty understanding about Al leaving to return to his armour to save his friends, and surely would have warned him if this were the last chance to claim his body back.

Edited at 2009-12-15 03:56 pm (UTC)
AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
mmm why would Truth warn him though? that he wouldn't be able to come and take back his body? Truth is an omnipotent being... or not. what happens to an individual shouldn't concern him.

I do want for Al to get his body back... really I do, but I think it highly improbable...
ღ annie: FMA [Al Ed Umbrella Ella Ella Eh..]azure15 on December 15th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
How the alchemists see Truth seems to be a reflection of their own soul, hence why Al's 'version' of Truth appears to be nicer than Ed's, and what we see of Roy's. If Truth is reflecting Al, then surely warning him of losing his body would be second nature. And for that, why can't Al come back?

Also, I think the one thing we can definitely say will happen is Al getting his body back. There's no doubt about it, if anyone is getting a happy ending, it's Al.

Edited at 2009-12-15 04:33 pm (UTC)
AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
we'll see right? and I haven't thought of That version of the Truth... thanks for pointing it out, I think you make a rather valid point. Yes if the Truth is a reflecton of the person... then yeah I can see that happening.

Truth for Roy wiould be crafty also right?... Now would Truth help Roy to achieve his vision... mmmm...

Al would have to open the Gate again and pay a toll no? Unless because he's a soul he could forgo that step altogheter. wow the more I think about it the more I think Hiromu must have had headaches coming up with all this.

Maybe I've been watching too many manga witout a happy ending lately ^^ it might be clouding my judgement. in any case, it makes for interesting conversation right?
ღ annie: FMA [Al anim]azure15 on December 15th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
I know Arakawa confirmed that each alchemist sees a different variation of Truth, reflecting the soul so far seems to be just the guesses of us fandom monkeys, but it does match up. Ed's Truth is short and sarcastic, from what we see of Roy's it's taller and smirking, and Al's is clearly sweeter than the previous two. I like the theory though, so I hope it works out!

I'm on the fence about whether Roy is faking it or not. He's a crafty bastard, but I can't see him being able to come up with something like that off the mark. I like the idea of him eventually using his alchemy to 'see', so whilst it's awful that he is blinded, I think he'll end up all the stronger for it. Like Ed and Al.

My theory is that what's left of Hohenheim will use up all he has left to open the Gate for Al, and possibly Ed, to retrieve their bodies. Redeeming himself before returning to where he wants to be, with Trisha.
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AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
It's sad for Hohenheim but I agree that he would rather be with Trisha. I hope he poor man gets his wish.

yeah if Roy is indeed blind... I don't see him recevoering sight. And Izumi even though I think she's awesome.. will probably won't be getting back her parts either.
Eve N. Furter: Sex and Cigaretteseve_n_furter on December 15th, 2009 10:53 pm (UTC)
It's pretty sad for Ed and Al too. Even if Hoho ain't the best father {8/, he's still a living part of their small family. If this happens it will be fanfic inspiration de luxe.
Nightambre: Basch - Burn the castle downnightambre on December 15th, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Roy Faking it.

While I can certainly see how this is possible, the whole 'wouldn't make a spectacle of himself' as an indicator of such just doesn't sit well with me. He lost a major sense. We as people depend on our sight and hearing the most. Losing one or the other, especially so sudden (One moment he can see, the next he can't), would likely throw even Roy into a state of shock. It's really just one of those things. Him standing up and wandering (and thus tripping) to me is the equivalent of panicking. He trips once, and then continues to just sit there with a O.O. If he is faking, he's doing a decent job of mimicking believable shock (I personally don't think he is because I think Truth is a bastard and would yank something even if Roy didn't intentionally open the gates. Life sucks that way :P)
AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
True and like I should point out, it's merely speculation. Only Hiromu-sama knows for sure and I'm just having fun.

But I wouldn't put it past Roy to fake blindness. It really reminds me of the movie where Roy lost an eye... Foreshadowing?... Maybe. Also we've seen Roy fake killing someone and get away with it... he was able to fool a lot of people into thinking he killed Ross. But I'll grant you that faking shock and faking killing someone is two things.

So in the end we'll only know for sure once we get to the end of the story.

Nightambrenightambre on December 15th, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
*noddles* Definitely. I can see it, I just wanted to point it out :3
AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
Not a problem :) I wanted just to see what people thought.
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AceXKeikaiacexkeikai on December 15th, 2009 06:09 pm (UTC)
well the toll was paid for him by Selim but I don't know maybe he does have to pay a toll... it's very confusing and I just hope we get some sort of explaination of all this in the end.
El Profesoro: I accidentally my eyesightheterodog on December 15th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
Though I really like the theory of Roy faking it, his pupils are missing.

He has them here and here and he still has them when he first meets Truth (here). And then from there on they're gone.
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El Profesoro: I accidentally my eyesightheterodog on December 16th, 2009 06:54 am (UTC)
Haha, no it's a photoshopped icon. The original is gloves_come_off's.
Eve N. Furter: Sex and Cigaretteseve_n_furter on December 15th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
And, his Truth don't have eyes at all. I think that's a pretty strong indication. (Agrees with OP, great icon :)
El Profesoro: MY WHOLE EYESIGHT!1heterodog on December 16th, 2009 06:55 am (UTC)
Yeah, though faking it would've been an awesome move I'm pretty sure he's blind.

(and thanks, I didn't make it but I love it 8D]
fractured_chaosfractured_chaos on December 16th, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
Neither did Ed's though. Just a big, cheezy, nasty grin.
Eve N. Furtereve_n_furter on December 16th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
*checking back* You're right. Except when Ed's Truth is talking as his transmuted "mother". I guess that this isn't good proof of either/or. 8)
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rhelpimtiredyo on December 15th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
Agreed on both counts.
kashicatkashicat on December 15th, 2009 11:53 pm (UTC)
I still think it's significant that Roy didn't open the Gate. He explicitly refused to do so. It was Selim who did it, not Roy. It's still possible that something was taken from him (though is something taken from someone every time they go through the Gate?), but it would only have been because he was -- unfortunately -- just THERE. He did not open the Gate.
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freed_wingsfreed_wings on December 16th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
I think maybe Al had the knowledge, he was just to tramatized to remember it, right? Er... my mind is blanking on the details. I might be thinking about the anime version.
rhelpimtiredyo on December 15th, 2009 10:28 pm (UTC)
We don't see Ed's Truth with his missing limbs until AFTER they've been taken from him, so no, we wouldn't have seen Roy's eyes on his Truth until after it was stripped from him. Along those lines, Roy still has his eyes; it's the physical sense that has been taken from him, not his actual eyes, so you could argue that you would see the Truth with only the portion of his eyes (the lens, the iris, rod/cones/ganglion cells, whatever) that had been taken from him.

Also, when people lose their sight in accidents or whatever, some report still thinking they can see because the neurons in their eyes are still trying to fire, so they see things like brief flashes of light or something akin to that.

I too hope Roy gets his vision restored too him and I can see where the wishful thinking of him faking it would come from, but I just don't think that's the case this time.
freed_wingsfreed_wings on December 16th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
This is horrible, but I kind of hope Roy isn't faking. I glut on misery. I love Riza, she's amazing, but I still squealed with horror half way to glee when I thought she was dead. I usually hate the bitter-sweet endings people insist on adding (It's over! Woops, looks like you just became a cripple and retired...) but somehow it's so meaningful and passionate and brilliant here that I sort of want it to be true.