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16 August 2009 @ 02:42 am
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Official S01E19 Discussion Thread
Episode 1.20

So that there isn't a torrent of multiple posts all talking about the episode, anyone who wants to share their thoughts with the comm can comment here!

As always the Live-Discussion post is below :)

Edit: BTW there's NO FMA NEXT WEEK
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selenityshiroiselenityshiroi on August 16th, 2009 09:30 am (UTC)
It was a bit of a dialogue rich episode, so it's difficult to comment properly on the raw!

But the episode was really good. Ed's trauma at digging up the creature they transmuted was brilliant. As was Izumi's reaction to Ed's phone call.

I was disappointed they left out the Ed and Hohenheim hair gag, though!
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS...: ASUKA- BAWWWWWsweetlitlekitty on August 16th, 2009 10:50 am (UTC)
They keep leaving out most of the gags I look forward to )':
bakyura.pleuvoir on August 16th, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
Did anyone else find Hohenheim's animation very inconsistant? In the last episode I was all, "HOLY CRAP HE'S SO BEAUTIFUL." but in this episode he's face looked all smooshed. Ed was also kind of inconsistant too. D8

I was sad that they left out the hair and meeting gag. They keep all of the not needed ones and leave out the ones that actually go with the plot entirely. D8
ღ annieazure15 on August 16th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)
They did that with Roy in the past couple of episodes. In 18 he was supposed to be thinner than usual and he LOOKED it, but then come 19 he's all muscle bound.
priestess_grrrl: roy FMABpriestess_grrrl on August 20th, 2009 02:02 am (UTC)
*is not complaining about Roy's muscles* ^_______________^

But yeah, it was a bit inconsistent. And it was weird how they chose to cast Hoho... I'll reserve my judgment for when we get to Xerxes, but yeah, the choice to leave out the gags made him appear a lot more sinister than in the manga.
ღ annieazure15 on August 20th, 2009 03:50 pm (UTC)
Oh ho the muscles were HOT, don't get me wrong! *fans self* Just that.. it seems a bit strange for him to be all Armstrong when JUST the last episode it was mentioned how thin he was looking. They do the same to other characters, Winry looks stick thin in some shots, curvier in others. Envy looks his usual thin self in some places, then like a freaking body builder in others.

And YES! I love Hoho just for his humour, it's sad to see he's a lot more 'srs' at the moment.
priestess_grrrlpriestess_grrrl on August 20th, 2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
Well, that is kind of a trope in anime: now you see it, now you don't kind of thing. Like you often see characters who have scars that disappear or clothing that's not tattered until there's a specific close-up shot of it. It doesn't bother me that much, and some anime are WAY worse at it. Particularly the ones that are all about fanboy fanservice, where you get these female characters who are somehow able to wear nothing but a tattered ribbon that magically changes position depending on what angle the character is shot at. Never mind the fact that said ribbon is somehow magically able to hold up DDD breasts. *eyeroll*
ღ annie: FMA [Adorkable!Al]azure15 on August 20th, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
That's one thing you can say about the last anime, it was consistent at least. Like when Ed gets that swollen cheek (was it.. Russell who gave him that?) he has it for most of the episode, and even his speech is slurred slightly from it. When he gets his cheek cut in the movie, the cut stays there. I think his automail scars are pretty consistent too, the times they're shown.
梅奧: Selim <3m3y0 on August 16th, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
W-what. No fma next week? ;-;

The animation quality wasn't as gorgeous as last episode's (not that I expected it to be, but it was very inconsistent)

The storyline was similar to the manga, but the timeline is a little messed up (because TECHNICALLY Yoki was supposed to meet Mei around now? Not to mention, they cut the Ling-Ran Fan-Envy-Gluttony(-Pride?) encounter that was supposed to happen before Ling-Ran Fan-Bradley fight. So we haven't had a chance to see Ling shine at all..)

And.. Brotherhood!Hoho-papa has no humor. ;_;
ღ annie: FMA [Chibi!Winry]azure15 on August 16th, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC)
... so when did Brotherhood become the Ed and Winry show?

Geeze, Winry likes Ed? I'D NEVER HAVE GUESSED.

Props to them giving Winry more screentime, but I think they're crossing a limit here. It's getting boring fast, and isn't anywhere near as appealing as it is in the manga because it's pretty much being force fed to us.
Cynthia: ???csakuras on August 17th, 2009 05:38 am (UTC)
Uh? How is the Ed/Winry aspects any different from the manga?
ღ annieazure15 on August 17th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
They're no different, but there's a lot more focus on them, or it seems that way since most of the Ed/Win hints are being kept in in favour of other scenes.
Smefoxie_trot on August 18th, 2009 10:41 pm (UTC)
Grr, and the fact that she isn't the most beloved character in my books, it gets annoying fast.

The obvious 'IT'S ED AND WINRY GUYS' romantic hints are really starting to urk me ... >_>
ღ annieazure15 on August 18th, 2009 11:44 pm (UTC)
The thing is, they've almost used them all already (I think there's maybe two or three left in the manga that are really stand out) so hopefully it'll die down soon.

I like Winry (not with Ed because quite frankly she could do better for herself) but all of these hints are getting really annoying, especially when other scenes are dropped just for them.
Smefoxie_trot on August 19th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Really? Excellent! I've not read further than the 70th chapter or so, and it was so long ago that I can't really remember. I'm re-reading it again now, because I'm getting so confused with the differences between FMA the manga, the first anime and now Brotherhood. >_>;;

LOL I think Winry would be such a better match with Al. I mean, Al totally deserves her, and he's such a sweetheart that it would offset her ... craziness just swimmingly. That's my view on the matter, anyway. And if they want to make such a long series, why DO they cut scenes? It doesn't make sense, at least to me. I guess that's why I'm a novel writer, not a screen writer??
ღ annieazure15 on August 19th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
It really does taper off, Winry bleats on about her feelings for her a few times, but they don't really have any more moments together.

And yes! Winry and Ed are far too much alike to really click, notice how Winry essentially CHANGES in order to be better suited to Ed during their scenes. Al's more suited to her because he'd calm her down, like he does Ed, and he wouldn't bite back whereas Edward would.
Smefoxie_trot on August 19th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
Oh thank goodness. :) At least I won't have to bring out the barf bag, I can look forward to that.

That is what annoys me the most about that pairing. I firmly believe you should never change to be 'better suited' to your partner - it's a load of crap and it means your being pretencious and thus the relationship cannot work. Besides, Ed and Winry would kill each other with their tendancies to attack without thinking. As you said - Al would be able to calm them down, and they'd be much better off for it!
priestess_grrrl: ed_the_hellpriestess_grrrl on August 19th, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's getting to be one big eyeroll. I'm not a fan of that ship, but it's not even about that. Manga!Winry is a strong and interesting female character, a rarity in shonen manga (and one thing I really love about Arakawa-sensei's work). Why can't they just leave a character the way they are in the manga, as opposed to adding all this 12 year old boy fanservice? It cheapens it. I mean, I know that's their audience, but come on.

They made her into Generic Whiny Anime Girl in the first series, leaving out most of her character development and adding dumb stuff (did we REALLY need her tied up and gagged in the redundant Barry the Chopper episode??), and now they're making her Generic Heartstruck Anime Girl. If they reduce her upcoming scene with Scar and the gun to a mushy EdxWin moment, I'm going to throttle them!

Why can't they just leave this stuff up to the imagination of the fans? Obvious shipping in shonen shows sucks. If we wanted to watch a show that was all about romance, we'd watch shojo (or yaoi, kthanks). It's fine to have subtext; it makes it interesting. But hitting us over the head with it is just LAME.
ღ annieazure15 on August 19th, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC)
Thank you! You said it much more elegantly than I could ever hope to.

It's the same for me, it's not about disliking Ed/Win, it's that she's being reduced to Ed's love interest. Winry's a far stronger character than that, and by cutting some of her scenes with Al, it's painting her out to only really care about Ed; when in reality she cares deeply for them BOTH. It makes her look kinda selfish and with a one track mind, which is far from what she is.

I bet you ANYTHING they make the Scar scene ALL about Ed/Win, with slow motion, a long focus on Ed holding her, and at this rate they'd add freaking Sakura petals.
priestess_grrrl: ed_the_hellpriestess_grrrl on August 19th, 2009 05:58 pm (UTC)
GAH, if they reach the sakura petal stage, I am OUT!! @___@

Honestly, I feel the same way about Riza: it cheapens her character, too, to make her just Roy's love interest. She's so fucking awesome and kick-ass; it's really lame to make her just another "Sidekick Action Girl Secretly in Love with Hero" character (I kind of take issue with the manga for that as well, but that's another story). It's a little better with Riza, because at least we see her interact with other characters. But most of Winry's scenes with characters other than Ed end up on the cutting room floor.

And I totally agree about Al and Winry: their friendship is so getting short shrift. Winry and Pinako are Ed and Al's only family (no, Hoho doesn't fucking count), and the reverse is also true. Winry doesn't have any family left either. So her relationship with Ed and Al is really important. They're her brothers. It sucks that they reduce her to Generic Girl Next Door with a Crush.

And it sucks that they reduce Fullmetal Alchemist, which is an intricate and complex story with a lot of pathos and strong, intense characters, to a cheesy teenage romance every five minutes. That's NOT what the manga is about! Yes, lately Arakawa has been a little more heavy-handed with it, which I dislike, but they take that and run with it, big time. I really, really hope that she doesn't go off the deep end and create a shippy ending that they are just gonna smear with smarm and hype up to the max. Gods of Anime, save us from that fate...!
ღ annieazure15 on August 19th, 2009 07:07 pm (UTC)
Riza got off a little more lightly, but I have to agree with you there too. But Winry in Brotherhood is only there as the love interest, and nothing else. It's pathetic, especially when far better scenes are cut in favour of, OMIGOSH, her taking Ed's HAND.

That's why I loved the first anime, for once it didn't go down the usual route of the girl next door falling head over heels for the MC and ignoring everyone else, she still cared a lot for Al.

I don't know, recently in the manga the hints between Ed and Winry at least have been tapered off, especially after the scene in her bedroom. That for me couldn't signal FURTHER that they weren't going to end up a couple. A almost topless girl who has a crush on him? Ed keeps on eating his sandwich. There's no awkward blushing or anything.
priestess_grrrl: ed_bishie_hairpriestess_grrrl on August 20th, 2009 02:16 am (UTC)
Yeah, Ed being okay with Winry hanging with Scar was the big clue for me. He hesitates... for like five seconds. Granted it was an emergency situation, but who lets the love of their life go off with a fucking serial murderer? If EdxWin were a canon reality, he would have protested a hell of a lot more. As long as she keeps it on the down low, I'm fine with it. But please don't prissy up my decent anime with this crap!
ღ annieazure15 on August 20th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
Especially if you compare to how over the-top-protective he is of his brother. I think he cares for her, don't get me wrong, but more as a sister, as a friend. I think that's cuter, actually, rather than a bland romantic relationship.

I can see WHY the anime are pushing it, but sadly they're doing it too much, and leaving out better scenes in favour of it. Hopefully it'll die down once the hints die down.
Kit: Zerozaku angstinulovinkit on August 17th, 2009 09:29 pm (UTC)
No FMA next week makes me sadface.

I didn't enjoy this episode as much as last week's (BIG surprise there) but I thought that Ed's TRAUMA was very well done.

Quality animation was quality, but again, no real surprise at that.

Wish they left in some of the Hoho-papa gags. With such an awesome character as Manga!Hoho, they've got to at least leave in SOME of the stuff that makes him awesome.
bakyura.: even if my steps are tiny;;pleuvoir on August 17th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
This. The gags are part of the reason why I fell for his character in the first place.
ceruleanpureceruleanpure on August 18th, 2009 01:32 am (UTC)