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05 June 2004 @ 03:10 pm
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Dante

Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) was a Catholic layman who wrote "The Divine Comedy," which is really three epic poems in Italian: "Inferno," "Purgatorio," and "Paradiso," which are about Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven/Paradise, respectively. In "Purgatorio," Dante places each of the seven sins on a level, with the higher levels closer to Paradise and the lower ones closer to Hell. The numbers in parentheses, in the above table, indicate the level where they are found in "Purgatorio." Dante considers these sins as offenses against love, and groups them accordingly:

Perverted Love: Pride, Envy, Wrath/Anger
Insufficient Love: Sloth
Excessive Love of Earthly Goods: Avarice/Greed, Gluttony, Lust

Dante seems to have had a well-formed conscience. His emphasis on love, in the sense of Christian charity, is impressive. That is not to claim some sort of sainthood, but his ideas were very much in keeping with the teaching of the Catholic Church at a time when the practice of the clergy often fell short of the doctrine.


Another name, another story behind it!
 
 
chrononuriko on June 5th, 2004 12:39 pm (UTC)
I was going to make a seperate post about this, but considering how this one already is discussing FMA symbolism, and mine intended to as well, I'll put it in the comments in hopes to keep all discussion on FMA symbolism organized in this post <3

1) Does anyone have any detailed information on the symbol that Dante, Izumi, and the Elric Brothers have? I know it resembles the Caduceus, and that it's one of the cryptic things good old real life philosopher stone creator Nick Flamel jotted down in his notebook (Ne ne, see? http://www.alchemylab.com/flamel7.htm)...but other than that I'm completely clueless on what it actually means.

2) Does anyone think it's ironic that Izumi's philosophy seems to perfectly fit with the Ouroboros? Which is actually mainly why I want to find out the significance of Flamel's symbol...it seems, in symbolic terms, we can refer to the conflict in FMA as Flamel symbol vs Ouroboros symbol...but it seems as if Izumi's philosophy fits with the Ouroboros and all...but it also seems like Dante is the one who originally had the Flamel symbol and passed it down to Izumi, who in turn passed it down to the Elric brothers...and then Izumi directly stated that she disagreed with Dante's philosophy in episode 33, so yeah, phew >_>;;...

3) FMA should bring in the emerald tablet and duality and stuff into all the alchemical symbolism they already have and make a romance story. Totally. I can see it now...Ed and Winry finally declare love for each other and voila, a circular rainbow encompasses them and the philosopher's stone is magically created. Nonono, make it even more romantic and have their love be the philosopher's stone, yes yes. Hey, incomplete philosopher's stones sort of look like single hearts, don't they? -_-;

>_>;

<_<; Ehem.
hork13bajir5 on June 6th, 2004 01:15 am (UTC)
If I remember correctly, the crucified serpent symbolizes the purifing of the philosopher's stone and makes elements go against their own nature.

Also, I'd think Dante got this symbol from Hohenheim. =3
chrononuriko on June 5th, 2004 12:45 pm (UTC)
Ehem, also...

From what I've heard about episode 34....Dante is once again involved in it, and three homunculi are also in the episode -- Greed (obviously), and Gluttony and Lust.

With the other sins absent.

Those three are the three placed in Dante's 'Excessive Love of Earthly Goods' category.

It's probably pure coincidence (especially considering how the anime strays from the manga...and while I have faith in a single manga person to have a lot of really obscure symbolism in their story, I don't have as much faith towards an anime director half-adapting a manga story with all these other people involved, etc etc...)...but yeah, I thought it was interesting enough to point out >_>;;...
Poison Envy: Tearwinter_ruins on June 5th, 2004 12:49 pm (UTC)
Dante!! That's where it sounded familiar. I remember watching the newer episodes, and the whole time I was thinking "Who is Dante? I know it from somewhere. Wherewherewherewhere?" Thank you <3
chrononuriko on June 5th, 2004 01:32 pm (UTC)
Could also be from Devil May Cry :P

Or Dante's Inferno.

Or a million other places. Dante is a pretty common name in entertainment >_>;
Poison Envywinter_ruins on June 5th, 2004 01:34 pm (UTC)
Never seen or whatever either of those, so ^^;; I was thinking of the original Dante ^^;;
kuromitsukuromitsu on June 5th, 2004 03:24 pm (UTC)
All those can be traced back to Alighieri. 'Cos, y'know. He was (is) pretty famous, and he's associated with Hell, Heaven and other cool stuff. ("Dante's Inferno" is, well, Dante's work about Hell. The movie and everything else came later.)
Absolutely no decorum.niwakaame on June 7th, 2004 10:20 am (UTC)
There's also Maho Dante.Strange how all those Dante names apparently refer to devils...*goes see on catholic encyclopedia website*...it would be nice if there was a kind of supreme 'evil' being..I mean,if threre was 'Lilith' as mother of Sins.
Scott Paethscott_karana on June 6th, 2004 12:25 am (UTC)
Weren't the Seven Deadly Sins made much more commonly known because of Milton's Paradise Lost, rather than Dante's Divine Comedy? Couldn't that, rather, be the source that the names were drawn from?