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20 February 2007 @ 11:13 am
A couple of anime questions  
I have a couple of questions about the anime...

1. What episode in the anime does Roy realize Winry is the daughter of the people he killed? I know he doesnt tell them until somewhere in the early 30's episodes

2. Also, there seems to be some conflicting information about whether the pocketwatch really expands alchemic power. (and I dont mean when the red stones had been put inside of them) In the first couple of episodes. Ed says that the pocketwatch doesnt enhanse his powers. But I am pretty sure that in a much later episode (I forgot which, I am sorry) I think that Al (it may have been Ed) tells someone that the watch DOES enhanse his alchemy. So which is it?

angsty lemon uke: [fight/flight]wabisuke on February 20th, 2007 04:34 pm (UTC)
He probably knew from the day he stepped into the Rockbell residence in episode 3 or something but never said anything.
Velvet Macevelvet_mace on February 20th, 2007 05:11 pm (UTC)
This is my guess, too. I don't think there is ever a revelation on Roy's part. Considering how eaten up by it, and how bright and manipulative he is, I would find it very surprising if he didn't know exactly what had happened to the Rockbell's daughter, and whether or not she was safe and being raised well.
Ipityipitydaf00l on February 20th, 2007 05:35 pm (UTC)
I want to say I remember there being speculation on that being part of the reason why he was even there to begin with.

(Of course, this was when I first came into the fandom and was asking questions that I remember this conversation.)
Wicked End: Mustangdarkangel2185 on February 20th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
Ed actually says in an episode (though I can't currently recall which) if Roy was really "just checking the mail" or had another reason for being there.
The Devil's handmaiden: royxHughesseraphim_grace on February 20th, 2007 05:11 pm (UTC)
the pocket watch is one of the plot holes, you're right it contradicts itself, some of the doujinshi tackle this and say that they do but not Ed's because Roy took the stone out, he had a replica made for him so Ed wouldn't be tainted like the rest of the alchemists.
However I'm going towards that it doesn't, that it's a rumour because in Ishbal the alchemists are given the fake stones in rings not in their watches. It would suit the military to say that their alchemists are the most powerful by giving them something to enhance their powers which would suggest that the flag is an array. The military uses the alchemists as a weapon and it's good propaganda, but it could just be a blip in the plotline where it crosses over with the manga.
Velvet Macevelvet_mace on February 20th, 2007 05:15 pm (UTC)
About the pocketwatch -- I think the confusion is that Cornello thought that it was what allowed Ed to do alchemy without a circle, which Ed demonstratively denies later. It does enhanse Ed's alchemy, but Ed's alchemy is so kick ass on its own that whatever boost the watch gives it isn't really that important.

It's ALWAYS been asserted that it enhanses alchemy -- that's the whole point of it (other than being like a badge) --the question is how? That is left vague, althrough later they do put redstones in it to soup it up more.
Eli Artemisia: Trisha Deatheli_artemisia on February 20th, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
When Ed finds out from Marcoh that Roy is the soldier who killed the Rockbells, doesn't Ed say something like "Mustang said he came looking for Dad, but do you think there was another reason?" eluding that Roy may have come to Resembool to meet the Rockbells and get some closure. I don't know if he made that comment in the same episode, but I recall him mentioning something of the sort. I think Roy knew Winry was their daughter from the beginning.
c_b_syndromec_b_syndrome on February 20th, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)
1) I would think it would be impossible for Roy NOT to know who Winry was. Aside from the fact he probably already knew the Drs. Rockbell before he was ordered to execute them, there is also the little aspect of Roy's personality. He does everything in his power to -keep- from being blindsided, and when he can, manipulate things in his favor.

2) Personal opinion? I think the whole rumor about the watches enhancing alchemic abilities was propaganda created by the State to keep the people and their enemies intimidated by the State Alchemists.
The Infinite Blueinfinitesimi on February 20th, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC)
One, I think Roy always knew who Winry was, if for no other reason than he knew the names of the doctors he killed (he didn't do it mindlessly so they weren't just nameless enemies or anything) and he knew Winry's name, and he probably knew who she was that first time he went to their house either because he knew already or because the sign outside said Rockbell Automail.

As for the red stones, I think people assume that Ed does alchemy without a circle because the watch is enhancing his powers. I seem to recall Cornello saying something like that in the first two eps. That's not the case; Ed can do all kinds of awesome shit with his alchemy and I think whatever boost the stones in the watch give him is negligable, but there ARE red stones in the watch, they DO enhance alchemic power, and Ed had no idea they were in there, and I don't recall exactly but I think that when he found out he was upset... anyone?
lmd_84lmd_84 on February 20th, 2007 07:32 pm (UTC)
From the other examples we've seen (Cornello, the Tringums, Marcoh) red stone does give a significant boost to alchemy - up to allowing someone to transmute without a circle (we see Russell do it).

In an early episode, Ed's watch was opened by Winry - no stones in it at that point. Red stones were put into Ed's watch later, towards the end of the series, and we see them being put in there (by chimera!Tucker, I think). However, we never see the result of this because Al (who was given the watch to give back to Ed) manages to lose the watch between leaving Lior and Resembool in episode 43. I can't remember if Ed is told about the stones.
The Infinite Blueinfinitesimi on February 20th, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
ah ha. so the red stones were not there all along. that makes sense, thanks
♥ caitlincaitlinneko on February 22nd, 2007 01:14 am (UTC)
Al lost the watch in Lior, when Kimbely threw the watch at Scar at the red stones came out, and were absorbed into his arm.
When asked about not wearing his pocket watch later, in episode 43 or so, and he says he never got it back, they all find out from Al about the red stones. I can't recall Ed's exact reaction, but I think it was more about Al losing the watch.
lmd_84lmd_84 on February 20th, 2007 07:22 pm (UTC)
I think people have already answered number 1 well enough. Though, I would add that there's a picture of a young Winry in the room where the Rockbells died. I can imagine Roy saw that and later put two and two together when he went to Resembool (however the heck you spell it).

As for two...My opinion is that Cornello got it wrong. Wrong not only in that it wasn't the watch that allowed Ed to do alchemy without a circle (which we later find out has a far darker origin), but in presuming that the watch alone amplified alchemical ability.

We know that the stone does, and that incomplete stones were inserted into the watches later on in the series. I thought the 'watches amplify alchemy' thing was an urban myth of sorts about the State Alchemists, one which probably got mixed up with the stories of the Ishbal Massacre (where the Alchemists *did* have their abilities enhanced). Cornello was a two-bit alchemist who relied on cheap tricks, it's not unlikely that he made a mistake. Admittedly, I can't recall us being told outright that the watches amplify alchemy, *but* that would require there being something other than the stone (whether 'real' or the kind created by Marcoh for Ishbal) which could do so.
electronic world for every boy and every girltomiko_the_muse on February 20th, 2007 08:04 pm (UTC)
Second one: Am I wrong or did Ed only find out later that the watch contains red stones? Then he got angry and took them out? It's been a while since I've watch the series, so I might be pulling things out of nowhere...
Still Naive, Not Photogenic: Hmmsliefoxx on February 21st, 2007 02:24 pm (UTC)
I think you're pulling things out of things air. If I remember correctly, Ed found out that Al had lost the watch and that Kimbley had put red stones in it...or something. I don't believe the watch had stones in it initially though.
nakari87nakari87 on February 20th, 2007 09:02 pm (UTC)
*flails* The watches enhancing power aren't a plothole, really. That's only something Cornello assumed. As for them doing it for REAL, that only happened in the later episodes; when Ed returned to Lior in disguise, Archer instructed him to leave his pocketwatch behind. Archer had taken all of the Alchemist's watches and gave them to Tucker, who put redstone in there. Al went to give it back to him, not knowing of the redstones, but then that whole thing with Scar and Kimbley happened (Al becoming the Stone) and they fell out of the watch. Al made mention of "the redstones fell out of the watch" in his speil about the incident, and that's when Ed flipped out.
Aerisaeri_s on February 20th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
I'm not certain, but I think in one of the episodes with their Teacher, Izumi says that the watches the State Alchemists have enchance alchemical powers?
♥ caitlincaitlinneko on February 22nd, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
That was probably from her hearing the rumours, as well. Thouhh I don't think she said it directly, but I know Ed said she said it, near the beginning of the series.