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08 May 2004 @ 12:33 am
Question: Does anyone know what the symbol on Al's shoulder/ Sensei's chest mean?

Does anyone have a good picture of the symbol? :> Curious...
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Kristenneo_queen157 on May 9th, 2004 07:38 am (UTC)
Hehe - thank you. ^^ Your icon is just what I was looking for, too. *thumbs up*
hork13bajir5 on May 7th, 2004 09:48 pm (UTC)
It's called "Flamell." The name represents fire and the crucifed snake represents the purification of mercury to create the philosopher's stone or somethin' like that. o.O;;
Kristenneo_queen157 on May 9th, 2004 07:39 am (UTC)
Oh my. oO That makes sense, though. Thank you. :)
Jenna Johnston: red lips // yunie_braskayunie_braska on May 8th, 2004 12:08 am (UTC)
I have a brush of it <3...but Im going to bed.....I'll get a hold of you tommarow <3
Kristenneo_queen157 on May 9th, 2004 07:41 am (UTC)
OU a brush! <3
The Master of Evillykomancer on May 8th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
I've done a LOT of analysis of the symbol for various FMA and Cc forums. The first post's link is a good start, but it can be broken down many ways.

This is an analysis I gave on another forum, exploring several ideas.

"I would first mention that the symbol of the serpent usually means one of three things: wisdom ("Be ye wise as serpents"), sexuality (the spinal serpent Kundalini of Indian tantra), and healing/transformation/rebirth. The symbol of the serpent eating it's own tail-- the oroboros-- was considered a sign of infinity; the snake that decived Eve in the Garden can be seen as both wisdom (he convinces her to eat of the Tree of Knowledge) and of transformation (humans gain awareness and sin, and thus are kicked out of the Garden and denied innocence).
"The cross can be seen as a World Tree symbol-- a key point upon which the rest of the world turns-- and the image of a serpent and a tree (the snake in the Garden, the serpent guarding the Immortality Tree in the Epic of Gilgamesh, Ladon-- the multi-headed dragon-- that guards the golden apples in Hesperides in Greek myth) is a fairly well-established one. Note that even the Bible states that Jesus was crucified on a tree-- used as a metaphor for the cross.
The Egyptian Ankh and the Celtic cross are two examples of the serpent-- simplified down to a circle-- tied to the cross.

"However, one story brings this all together: the Isrealites got real tired of wandering around that darn desert for forty years 'cause Moses wouldn't ask for directions, and decided to whine about it. God-- the loving guy he was in the OT-- send a plague of fiery serpents to scourge the people. After the Isrealites got the message, "God commanded Moses: "Make thee a fiery serpent, set it upon a pole." This pole was evidently a cross, for we read in John 3:14 that "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so shall the Son of man be lifted up." The people were to look upon the brazen serpent when bitten, and live." This explicitly links the serpent cross and the blood/death of the snake to that of the suffering and sacrifice of Jesus Christ! And indeed, if the snake is seen as a tranformative, healing, and wisdom symbol, one can easily draw the connection between the rebirth of the serpent shedding its skin with the Resurrection... the wisdom of Jesus' ministry the wisdom of the serpent who is to be raised up on a pole/tree/cross.

"The Freemasons feel that there is even a semantic connection between "serpent" and "messiah":
"And the Messiah himself will become the Holy Serpent or the Holy Dragon, the true King-Pharaoh (the gematria of the word "nahash" --"serpent" is equal to gematria of the word "mashiah", "Messiah"). And, as you know, I suppose, there were Gnostic sects (2-3 C.E.) of ophythes and nahasens (both words were derived from the Greek and Aramaic designations of the "serpents") who called the Christ (i.e., Messiah) the Holy Serpent who opened to the spiritualized souls (pnumatics) the mysteries of the Tree of Life."

Furthermore... the phrase "fiery serpent" (in the Moses story) is especially interesting. The Hebrew word used here is "saraph" which can function as a verb meaning "burning," or as a noun, "burning serpent." It is from "saraph" that the English "Seraph" and its plural, "Seraphim," are derived...
Seraphim are one of the highest levels of the angelic order."

There's more I probably could say, but this is already pretty long. I'm just basically stating that the symbol is far older than what we call alchemy, and has many different means associated with it as well as a rich history.
Kristenneo_queen157 on May 9th, 2004 07:45 am (UTC)
This is VERY very helpful. Thank you. I'm trying to learn more about the motives for the symbol - and I'm liking the fact that it also has biblical meaning. If you have the rest of your analogy posted somehwere I'd love to have the link. ^^