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12 July 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Food for thought anyone?  
SPOILERS for the end of anime/movie behind a cut!

Being a fan of Science fiction literature and FMA (The perfect combination for killing brain cells. XD), I realized a connection...

Well, first off, let's start with the butterfly theory. It was mentioned in one of Ray Bradbury's short stories from R is for Rocket, called "A Sound of Thunder".
The theory, and the story itself, explained how destructive it would be if time travelling ever became possible.

The thing is, if you went back into the prehistoric era and stepped on a bug, all the future offspring of that bug would instantly cease to exist, and that's a lot of bugs, not to mention THEIR offspring. All those bugs lost might cause a single bird to starve to death. Think about that bird's entire offspring, and all of the animals that eat that bird, and their offspring. The sudden absence of all these animals could cause, further in the future, for a caveman to starve to death. Now, what if said caveman was the ancestor of Martin Luther King Jr.? Mother Theresa? George W. Bush?

How does this connect to the FMA movie? You see, the Elric brothers were meant to stay in Amestris. They were never meant to go on our side of the gate. They went against the laws of nature, just like a time traveller would do. If this actually happened in real life, what kind of impact would they make on the world? If the Elrics spent the rest of their lives on our side of the gate, how many bugs do you think they stepped on?

Really makes you think, doesn't it? ;D
Elizabethbettle on July 12th, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I thougth I was forgetting something. I suppose Ed would have replaced Alter!Ed, but they have different memories and experiences that affect their actions, therefore, despite the fact that they're technically the same people, they still might affect the world in different ways.

But, that brings up a new problem: how would the absence of Ed and Al affect their world? What if Ed was to become the Martin luther King or George W. Bush of his original world?

Now I can imagine Ed giving the "I have a dream" speech. Oh, the crack. XD
Justice for allpuckyducky on July 12th, 2006 11:06 pm (UTC)
if you think about it.. Ed died at the end of the series before he went through the gate, so he was gone already. And Al sort of died that night where they brought their mom back, so he was gone too? I hope this makes sense.
Elizabeth: Rabies (made by me)bettle on July 12th, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC)
Oh riiiight. I forgot. *slams head against computer desk*
nightfireblazenightfireblaze on July 12th, 2006 11:27 pm (UTC)
I think it would be okay for Ed and Al not to exsist in their world because as Dante said, it was inedivable that they would do human transmutation after Trisha died.
If Ed didn't sacrifice his arm Al wouldn't exsist, and there would still be the chance that Ed would join the military still and do all the good he did durring his time in the military.

And with the knowledge gained by surviving the gate Ed could still be searching to get Al back if he understood that Alphonse didn't die, but meerly taken. Bradley could tell Ed about the philosopher's stone, Edward could had told Scar to sacrifice him so that Marco could run, Ed would have gotten more beat up in lab 5 but I don't think that would change drasticly either, and other stuff would be slightly different but still moderatly the same.

Then Ed gave up his life in Amesteris in his second human transmutation, to bring Al back.

I think the absence of Al would be the only thing to worry about, unless because he was suppose to be non-exsistant it wouldn't matter much if he was in Amesteris? Maybe it was for the better he was gone?

(and Hohenhime going to our side would hurt Amesteris either because he was suppose to die 400 years ago)
nightfireblazenightfireblaze on July 12th, 2006 11:33 pm (UTC)
-_- Didn't see the post that said exactly what I just said but shorter.
Still Naive, Not Photogenic: Horrified heiderichsliefoxx on July 13th, 2006 06:35 am (UTC)
-Plot bunnies ... oh the copulation-

If Ed hadn't sacrificed his arm, then Al would have been dead. Al's body and soul were separated when Ed 'saved' him, so there was no way he could outright die. If Edward hadn't received the knowlage of how to retrieve Al's soul, then Al would have died with Trisha ... Had they known that they needed Trisha's soul they still would have needed to sacrifice a body (that's assuming, considering the Gate could take whatever it wanted), so it was either going to be Al or Trisha, but they didn't know that they had to search for Trisha's soul in the first place.

Then again, the Gate could have decided that Ed would be just as good as Al, so Trisha could have been brought back, assuming that Ed or Al would realize she needed a body. Since Al went into shock, it's reasonable to assume that both would have died if it had been Al to lose his arm, because he wouldn't have remembered any of the Gate's truth.

Then, since the Lior plot would have already been in motion, Dante probably would have actually succeeded since Edward wouldn't have been there to meddle ...

nightfireblaze: Breadanightfireblaze on July 13th, 2006 06:55 am (UTC)
So in your first paragraph your saying Ed could have transmuted Trisha's soul to the armor? @_@ That would change everything, instead of the Elric brother's running around making trouble we'd have this kid and his suit of armor mom walking around. Good thing I'm lazy or this would make an awsome crack-fic. XD
(hm wasn't there two suits of armor? Even though one wasn't full body...Ed's got two arms. XD The fullmetal family! *snaps fingers to The Adam's Family theme*)

If the Elric brothers didn't exsist and Dante did get the philosopher's stone that Scar was finishing with his killing rampage, wouldn't she just use up bodies until she couldn't last long enough to survive? Hohenhime was the one that told her why her new bodies rot so fast so she wouldn't know about why being to self obssed to realize and the only reason why Hohenhime was there in the first place was because he herd Edward talk about her. Or would she be the one to travell to the other side...?
Shark Bait: beatdowngrifstar on July 13th, 2006 08:44 am (UTC)
.... *snerk*.... Fullmetal Family....

Still Naive, Not Photogenicsliefoxx on July 13th, 2006 06:07 pm (UTC)
Or ... Edward could have sacrificed a third limb and brought both them back ... wait, you just said that. X3 Poor Hoho: "You're wife and son are suits of armor, your oldest hates you living guts, and your house was just burnt to the ground: What are you gonna do now?"

Hoho: "... well shit."

If the brothers didn't exist, Hohenheim would probably figure out that Dante was still alive and well after Lior would go up in smoke. Then again, it sounds like he didn't do much during Ishbal, so it's perfectly possible he would just let Dante go her merry way, while he let himself die this time, and until she ran out of soul to transmute.

Or Hoho could say, "Fuck you," And toss her across the gate like Envy did to himself when he jumped in ... X3

Then, there's the homunculi, who wouldn't want to die, so they would start looking for red stone ... O.o (Enter the Tringham bros and Marco, who were the only other characters who knew how to make it ...)

It could be a two parter fic! One's a crack fic with TWO suits of armor, the other everyone dies and the HOMUNCULI REIGN SUPREME.
nightfireblaze: The Sinner Ednightfireblaze on July 13th, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
How would that fit in two parts? In the first part which is cracky they are alive, then the second story is serious and everyone is dead. (Envy's dream come true) Wouldn't it make more sence if they were seperate fics?

If Hohenhime came back and saw his wife and younger son as suits of armor, I'd wish he'd bitch-slap Ed and use whatever was left of his philosopher's stone to give them new bodies (or at least Trisha because Al's body is in the gate).

And what about Sloth? We'd need a Trisha's soul armor! vs. Trisha's body look-alike humonculus! going on at some point. XD
Still Naive, Not Photogenicsliefoxx on July 13th, 2006 06:30 pm (UTC)
.... Good point. Two fics, makes more sense. *FacePalm*

We could make it so just a liiiiiittle of Trisha's soul was left in the gate, (POSSIBLE. Ed and Al's souls were connected in the gate!) Hoho could start emoing and want to bring Trisha back, so he goes into the gate, realizes only part of Trisha's soul is there, and attaches it to a doll of Trisha. ~.^

As for Trisha's real body ... I'm assuming the same would apply to her as it did Al, they'd just be sitting around waiting for their souls to come back. O.o
nightfireblazenightfireblaze on July 13th, 2006 06:32 pm (UTC)
But Trisha died, her body is rotting in the ground somewhere.
Still Naive, Not Photogenicsliefoxx on July 13th, 2006 06:48 pm (UTC)
... so technically they shouldn't be able to get her soul back in the first place. But it was never said that one couldn't get a soul of a dead person back from the gate ... >.O

Assuming my idea works, you're still right, Trisha will never have her real body ... unless they like, reconstructed her corpse. O.o Knowing them, totally possible ... but Sloth would still be a doll, since Sloth was only given a human body through Dante (I think. It's been a while) ... in this case, it would be Hohenheim doing the shaping.

For crack, this'll take a lot of thought ...
nightfireblaze: The Sinner Ednightfireblaze on July 13th, 2006 07:00 pm (UTC)
Didn't they see her soul within the gate? That is what Ed was reaching for when he first went in right? So it's completly possible.

Though when the soul is still waiting outside of the gate when the person first dies I think is the time that the mind is still completly intact and can return normally like Ed did for Al's sacrifice, but Trisha would have a severe memory loss if not lost her mind completly. I don't think she wouldn't have any memories though, because it is her soul, and Ed put memories into Sloth; so maybe not everything would come back to her mind but she'd have enough to identify herself with.

All this tought is just figuring out a logical way for it to happen if we were to think of how they would interact then it would be a less serious and more cracktastic disscussion.
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Shark Bait: Arugrifstar on July 13th, 2006 08:53 am (UTC)
... Actually, Al wouldn't technically be 'dead' pre say. Just stuck in the Gate until somebody got him out. Which, unless Ed somehow realises this and goes on a mission to get him back, could probably be for an eternity and might as well be dead. Or wait until a different alchemist opens it and do kinda what Wrath did.

Unless Al somehow slips too far in and comes out from the other side O_o; (but then would he be possessing Heid or just completely fall in?)

........ god that just sounded wrong XD;;;