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12 July 2006 @ 12:14 pm
Food for thought anyone?  
SPOILERS for the end of anime/movie behind a cut!

Being a fan of Science fiction literature and FMA (The perfect combination for killing brain cells. XD), I realized a connection...

Well, first off, let's start with the butterfly theory. It was mentioned in one of Ray Bradbury's short stories from R is for Rocket, called "A Sound of Thunder".
The theory, and the story itself, explained how destructive it would be if time travelling ever became possible.

The thing is, if you went back into the prehistoric era and stepped on a bug, all the future offspring of that bug would instantly cease to exist, and that's a lot of bugs, not to mention THEIR offspring. All those bugs lost might cause a single bird to starve to death. Think about that bird's entire offspring, and all of the animals that eat that bird, and their offspring. The sudden absence of all these animals could cause, further in the future, for a caveman to starve to death. Now, what if said caveman was the ancestor of Martin Luther King Jr.? Mother Theresa? George W. Bush?

How does this connect to the FMA movie? You see, the Elric brothers were meant to stay in Amestris. They were never meant to go on our side of the gate. They went against the laws of nature, just like a time traveller would do. If this actually happened in real life, what kind of impact would they make on the world? If the Elrics spent the rest of their lives on our side of the gate, how many bugs do you think they stepped on?

Really makes you think, doesn't it? ;D
havocmangawip: secretshhhavocmangawip on July 12th, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
I hope that the timetraveller steps on a bug... in the vicinity of the Bush family "caveman".

Though he doesn't believe in Evolution, so "Nyah, Nyah... I don't gotsta go." (Sorry, "Robot Chicken" ate my brain.)

But that is a definite theory. Perhaps the Elric's did atom bomb research unwittingly? (As that is something I don't think Ed or Al would do knowingly.)
havocmangawip: charminghavocmangawip on July 12th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
TYPOS! GAH... but that means another shiny Havoc icon.
Gosh I can spell today.

Eeep at "Elric's" and "timetraveller".


(no subject) - bettle on July 12th, 2006 11:38 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Treebent: Chipmunk of DOOOOOOOM!!theleaningelm on July 12th, 2006 05:20 pm (UTC)
There's also that one crazy man w/ what may have been the atomic bomb. Think of where we would be if that had never happened(then again, the question would also be, had it happened, if we would've arrived at the same place anyway. Which also brings up, what if the bug were going to die that day anyway, before it could reproduce? Wouldn't it amount to the same thing?...Okay, need to stop.)
pikachuashnat on July 12th, 2006 05:25 pm (UTC)
I've thought about that as well... Especially the whole thing about their mother.

If Trisha hadn't died, they never would of done the human transmutation which lead them to search for the philoshper's stone. if they never searched for the philospher's stone, they probably wouldn't of been involved with the military and the homunculi. Which means the military would of done even more damage. Ed really did a lot in terms of changing Amestris and how it was run.

(Yeah, that has nothing to do with what you're talking about on the movie, but I love applying the whole butterfly theory on EVERYTHING. XD)

They probably stepped on a lot of "bugs" by coming over to this side. For one, the atomic bomb. Ed said they should try and stop it since no world needs such a thing, well, if they stayed in Amestris they never would of known about the bomb being over on the other side and not being able to stop it (let's just say they did. XD). They changed the world right there from how it was supposed to go.
It's in the trees! It's coming!thickets on July 12th, 2006 05:36 pm (UTC)
I think they have already affected our world somewhat already. Well, maybe not them. But something they were involved in affected our world. Because wasn't it implied that the crazy scientist they visit at the beginning of the movie somehow would up in our world with his uranium bomb (I know pretty much nothing about the history of physics, but wasn't a bomb using uranium the first step towards making the nuclear bomb)? They say at the end of the movie that they need to try to track this invention down and keep it from being used. If they make a second movie, I think this will be the plot of it. Maybe they'll get involved in the Manhattan Project ... it would be kind of amusing, considering Edward's opinion of Einstein in Episode 51. ;)

If you watch the Kids OVA, it's implied that Ed at least has had a big role in world events during his long life. You see a picture in his apartment of him standing with some official looking dude ... I'm actually trying to figure out if it's supposed to be a real figure, and considering that Ed still looks pretty young in the picture, I think it could even possibly be Martin Luther King. He's concerned with world events even at the age of 100, considering the fact that he's got all of those newspaper articles pinned up (including one about the World Trade Center).

If they do make a case for the Elrics changing history, I think rather than attributing them with deviations from our actual history, instead they will be given roles in established history -- implying that if they hadn't been there, our history might have been quite different. The same can be said for Hohenheim's assistance to Churchill during the first world war and later on with the Thule Society (unfortunately). The Thule Society did really exist, by the way, and it was connected with the Nazi party ...
Justice for allpuckyducky on July 12th, 2006 06:53 pm (UTC)
But what if they were MEANT to come here and our world would be chaos right now if they hadn't. :o
Shark Bait: omfgwtf!?grifstar on July 12th, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC)
.............. your icon freakin scares me....... XD;
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Shark Bait: beatdowngrifstar on July 12th, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
hehehe.... *reminded of that time traveling toaster in Simpsons* XD;;

But yeah, I kinda wondered about that too(don't even get me STARTED on the movie though or going back to the otherside though... >.>;). Funny too, in a certain RP I'm in there's an actual oppertunity of maybe perventing Trisha's death, and what kind of effect it might have on everything else(it's a multi-fandom thing). And yeah, Al's having second thoughts about if they really should do it, with pretty much that same theory in mind ^^;

But seriously, I dunno. Timetravel is a very tricky thing sometimes. If there really such a thing as altering it? Or was instead really destinied to be altered? Like say somebody knows the world is going to end tomorrow, and tries to undo it. But instead ironicly what the guy did was only made it happen. The outcome still came true, even though the guy still tried to prevent it.

.... My honest opinon, Ed and Al NEVER should have gone back. They really had no reason to do it >.>;;. So yeah, I still deny the existance of the movie, or at least as the 'ending' of the series... Now, if they were to continue off from it.....
Elizabeth: Mariostang! (made by me)bettle on July 12th, 2006 11:21 pm (UTC)
I suppose if we were destined to travel through time, then all the screw-ups would have already happened.

Funny, I'm in a multi-fandom RP where people suddenly teleport and end up stranded on a desert island. I suppose sudden changes like that could be a result of someone going against nature, but I won't go into it very much because the RP is pure crack and isn't supposed to make sense.
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Amber: say no to uke!Edladyamber on July 15th, 2006 03:56 am (UTC)
**psst** If you wanna read a fanfic which contemplates what might've happened after Ed/Al go through the Gate and go after the bomb... **points to c_b_s**

Just trust me when I say you might like what's going to happen in that better. :D
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Grygongrygon on July 12th, 2006 08:16 pm (UTC)
theories like that hurt my brain. i much prefer the one where time travling isn't possible: guy steps out of the machine in the middle of a rain storm and is killed as the pre-destined rain drops slice him to spaghetti. ;)

otherwise, fma is a nice bit of sci fi.
takarifreak: Cookiestakarifreak on July 12th, 2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
Time travel IS NOT impossible (it is not against the laws of physics at all). We do it every single moment, but it's in only 1 direction at a constant speed.

I pose a more interesting thought. Considering our world and Amertris seem to be parallel worlds; if altering the course of time WERE possible, who's to say any "screw ups" or whatever would actually unravel the fabric of time, but just serve to create another paralell universe of said "what ifs"? What if every time that might happen, another form of the gate is created, and another similar world reflecting the differences lies on the other side?

The big difference (FMA universe wise) from us and Ametris is we didn't develop alchemy. What if that's the ONE difference that everything else evolved from? From what I belive, it could have very easily been only 1 of them in exitance at one point, and the other was the creation of someone ***ing with reality and the end result was the other. The simiarities are too much to be JUST a coincidence. There's a connection somewhere.

Fate also may come into play. Say, if everything were predestined, then any time ripping done would just be part of the intended flow, screw ups and all.

Speaking realisticly:

In science, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you went back in time and killed you ancestor before they created said ancestry line, then you would cease to exist. But if if you didn't exist, you would not be around to even traveled back in time to commit said murder. Considering time traveling (not of the normal variety) is a complex matter, it's possible the timeline has some sort of self-defense mechanism to prevent such major screw ups like that. Heck, it's already done a bit of that by not enabling anyone to perform any kind of time ripping as of yet.
Elizabeth: Mariostang! (made by me)bettle on July 12th, 2006 11:13 pm (UTC)
I had to read through your theory a few times to fully understand it, (hahaha me and my pea-brain. XD) But now I can see what you're getting at and I agree.
nightfireblaze: kid Ednightfireblaze on July 12th, 2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
Would that also explain why Ed and Al can't go back to their world? Really Alter!Ed was 'steped on' when our little traveler Edward took his body and a Zeppline landed on him. Then Ed came back and lived with Hohenhime for a while like that other Ed did. Then before Alphonse comes into the world Alfons dies.
Ed and Al replace our worlds Edward and Alfons because they weren't suppose to die then.
Hohenhime would have eventually left Ed, son or not, and that Ed looked about the same age as our Ed so he would need someone to take care of him until he became legal and thats where Alfons would come in, ect.
fizzko on July 12th, 2006 10:56 pm (UTC)
I was wondering about that, or something similar...What if the reason Alphonse Elric was able to come through the Gate at all was because Alfons Heiderich died? And the reason Ed is able to exist in his own body is because Alter!Ed was killed.
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