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27 June 2006 @ 04:25 am
In episode 45 ("A Rotted Heart")...

at the beginning of the episode, the narrative of Hohenheim and Dante is being explained. When they show the transmutation Hohenheim did to create the Stone, what exactly does the "circle" look like? It looks very similar to the one that Ed drew in lab 5. It also looks very similar to the Ishbalan circle. But it seemed slightly different from those.

Does anyone have any caps? Can anyone explain? Am I just blind?

Any help is appreciated. ^_^

EDIT: So, xeviscerax commented with a cap of the transmutation circle Hohenheim used to create a Stone. I've got images of the array used by Scar in Liore, the array on Scar's brother's body, and the tattoo/array on Scar's arm. dragontrap also mentioned something about Human Transmutation, so for good measure there's an image of the transmutation circle Ed and Al used to bring back their mother.

Comparing these, it is noteworthy to mention, as dragontrap did, that Hohenheim's array, Scar's arm array, Scar's brother's body's array, and the array Ed used in Lab 5 all have seven points. (Whoo, that was a mouthful.) I think the Liore array does too, it's just not very neat. It's a little hard to tell, but it looks like it does.

There are minor differences between all of them, but they all have the similar heptagonal orientation and arrow point. (I don't know about the Lab 5 array.)

Does anyone have a cap of the array Ed made in Lab 5? It's hard to compare without knowing what it looks like in detail.

EDIT 2: cofie made an interesting point about Hohenheim's array not being perfect. And that begs the question, which array/transmutation circle/method is the perfect one to create a Philosopher's Stone with? Marcoh's? the Ishbalan method? Hohenheim's way?

EDIT 3: xeviscerax commented with caps of the lab 5 arrays!
Current Mood: curiouscurious
xevisceraxxeviscerax on June 27th, 2006 11:37 am (UTC)
I can't explain. I've never given it any thought whatsoever, but here's a cap for you to ponder over.

mari: kyo/tohru/haru//threesomeokay on June 27th, 2006 11:39 am (UTC)
ah! That does look like the one similar on Scar's arm. Maybe that, plus the one in Lab 5 were the transmutation circles only for creating the philosopher's stone?
Imagination at it's finest: Nibblesdragontrap on June 27th, 2006 12:01 pm (UTC)
Yes, that would be the 'Human Transmutation' array used. Actually if you look in the 5th lab, on the walls is the 'writting' from scars arm (And the array is used again by Scar when he turns the whole city into one Philosopher's stone). Also, if you count the points on the picture above, it has 7 points (same as what Ed did in the 5th lab).
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 12:43 pm (UTC)
I noticed the "writing on the wall" too! After we saw Scar's arm in more detail, I was like "Oh hell no! I know I've seen that somewhere before."

Do you know where I could get a cap or an image of the arrays in Lab 5?
Imagination at it's finestdragontrap on June 27th, 2006 02:08 pm (UTC)
I do not actually. The closest thing I have are actual array brushes I use in some of my art. But if you do an image search online, I'm sure you can find them
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 11:21 pm (UTC)
OK, thanks!
xevisceraxxeviscerax on June 27th, 2006 11:11 pm (UTC)
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 11:22 pm (UTC)
OMG, you win at life.
cofiecofie on June 27th, 2006 12:04 pm (UTC)
I would say indeed something in between the two. ^^
But forget not that this trasmutation circle is still not perfect cos Hohenheim died in the trasmutation. *okay so would have died if Dante didn't act so fast.*
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 12:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah. But maybe his body was just used in the transmutation. XD
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 12:41 pm (UTC)
Oooh, thank you! That is interesting... *waddles off to edit the entry*
whisperitlikeit’sasecret。: fall-in-lovedusk on June 27th, 2006 02:33 pm (UTC)
Since this happened before the creation of Scar's arm, and was probably one of the first attempts of human transmutation, it could be that the circle Hohenheim was using branched off into Ed's circle and Scar's arm tattoo. Both of the people who made those respective circles probably studied early alchemy (especially Ed, since his father's notes were still in his house) and used their own minds to change it to what they thought would work? =/ Anyways, that's just a theory. XD
Sophic Proxybrennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 08:20 pm (UTC)
OOOOOOOHH, I like it. Didn't think that maybe Hohenheim's was the very first and was used as a model for other circles. AWESOME!

u r a jeenyeus. XD
jantra on June 27th, 2006 02:42 pm (UTC)
As I think its said somewhere in the manga at some point (waaay past where we are in America) it really isn't the circle so much, but the way of the will of the circle's activator.

The circle is more of the direction of energy, but as long as the person needs it bad enough it'll work.
Sophic Proxy: *palmface*brennadouglasmw on June 27th, 2006 08:21 pm (UTC)
ACK! *flails* And this is the very reason why I must finish reading all the back issue scanlations I've been putting off.

Thank you!