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03 May 2004 @ 09:41 am
Oh dear (Ep. 30 & speculation on 31)  
Well, I've been postulating and formulating for awhile, and what I've thought up isn't good.

Alright, after watching 29 and 30 in rapid-fire succession, I'm a bit nervous now. Here are a few points to ponder:

1) Anyone who has seen the spoiler for 31 can probably guess that the Fuhrer at South City is a fake... it's Envy.

2) We all know that Hughes' replacement is hankering for war. And we also know that Mustang and Central City have mobilized to go deal with Scar and the Ishbal contingent. What are the chances that the current flareup at South HQ will spread to what Mustang is about to go do?

3) There is no rule that the homonoculi have to have the names of the seven sins. Obviously, the boy proves this. What may happen to him in the hands of Envy is yet to be determined. But I think he holds a key piece to the puzzle of the Philosopher's Stone and whatever is on that island does not bode well.

4) To clear up any questions/problems, so far the issue of the Fuhrer being a sin is, at this time, speculation only. The anime is deviating from the manga, which is to be expected. However, I am reasonably certain with the evidence presented so far that his secretary is actually a homonoculi, which makes me wonder why the Fuhrer would be one if his secretary is already in position to cover as one.

I am also not sure that Frank Archer is one either. Remember what we know of Archer--he wants a war. He wants one no matter what. War is his thing. That really doesn't sound like Pride. If we had a sin named "Death", I think we'd have our guy. ^_~ Of course, I have been known to be wrong many many times before, so this wouldn't be the first. But, *shrugs* this is simply all speculation.

Oh, a note to those who use the quote from 30 in which Greed says "I heard that Envy, Pride, and the others are after them..." : We still don't know, in the context of the anime, who Pride is. Pride could be the Fuhrer. Again, too soon to speculate on it. Also, look at what Greed actually says:

"I heard the Evny, Pride, and the others are after them... so I thought it'd be interesting to take them. But it looks like I can get something even more interesting. A Homonuculus like me who can use alchemy, eh?"

The "them" implies that whatever Envy, Pride, etc. is after is plural. But the boy isn't brought up for another two sentences when Greed changes the subject of his conversation. "something even more interesting" must therefore be the boy. Which means:

He (Greed) was just originally pursuing the Elric brothers which was what all the other homonoculi were doing. ^_^

Thus, back to square one.

I think it's safe to say that life in FMA continues as it always has... taking every twist and turn possible. ^_^
Anruianruik on May 3rd, 2004 08:05 am (UTC)
Thast's a pretty interesting theory, but you might want to be careful and add a label about that first small spoiler about episode 31 just 'cause although I don't have a problem with it, someone else will.
Absolutely no decorum.niwakaame on May 3rd, 2004 08:32 am (UTC)
Interesting....thank you for telling about it!
We are all fuzzy robots.makaioh on May 3rd, 2004 08:34 am (UTC)
1.) Totally agree.
2.) Oh I know ;_; Poor Ishval. How much more can they take! They didn't do anything! (OK Scar did but he's just one guy! This reminds me of current politics ... don't get me started :) I just know Roy is going to go in there setting things on fire, and those other Ishval folks won't back down because that's the kind of people they are. I have a theory on why the military wants to destroy Ishval so completely...
3.) In the preview for 31 it looked like they had a lot of incomplete philstones. Unnerving!
4.) Totally agree. Plus, Sloth doesn't seem to want him listening in on her conversations. So even if he does turn out to be a homunculus, he isn't in league with Envytachi.

I'm glad Tucker and Kimberly are in league with Greed, though. Makes it very very cool :)
I'm hoping that the Elrics will help save Ishval (and Scar), because I want them to be friends. I didn't see Rick and Leo in 30, so I'm a little concerned where they might be. Didn't see Jii-san, either, though, so maybe they stayed behind.
I am going to suspect that Archer is Pride, but that's because I hate him :)
Did the Elrics find out about Hughes? I don't thnk they did, but I haven't watched the full episode since Saturday and I'm forgetful. That was really dicky of Archer to not let Armstrong tell them. I felt bad for Armstrong, he didn't get to sparkle much.

Ishval theory (I should post this separately, but I suck) - In the anime, color seems to be symbolic. Especially red seems to be symbolic of things having to do with the philstone. Ishval have red eyes. So perhaps they hold the key to going through the gate without paying the toll. (Bruce didn't seem to be all that worse for wear, unless what we didn't see is what he lost o_O or he paid with sanity, but he seemed kinda wacked out prior to the HT). That would make them the ultimate alchemists, which would make them the ultimate world power. And that's why the military is so bent on destroying them, before Ishvara raises the restrictions on alchemy...
Just my little theory. I'm enjoying it.

Sorry for being so mouthy :)
Vortexprojectvortex on May 3rd, 2004 08:51 am (UTC)
Oh, you weren't too mouthy! ^_^

I like the Ishval (I tend to use Ishbal instead) theory you present... now that I think about it that makes a good deal of sense. No one ever truly explains why the war started in the first place... or why State Alchemists were absolutely necessary. Now I'm going to have to think some more... lol...

And to answer your question, no, the Elrics do not yet know about Hughes' death... but it was odd; in the scene with Greed I had the strangest sensation that I'd heard the voice of the "cloaked one" before. ^_~ Maybe that's worth looking into.
kuromitsu: Marikokuromitsu on May 3rd, 2004 09:27 am (UTC)
Archer... I wouldn't say for sure that he's not a homonculus, but that option can't be ruled out. On one hand, him being one would be just too many homonculi running around, and also, as you said, he doesn't really seem like a Pride. However, Pride is not the only one of the seven deadly sins we're missing: there's still Wrath, and war, that Archer wants and loves, can be linked with Wrath (even though Archer seems too low-key to have a name like Wrath ^^;;). Also, let's not forget that it the sins were responsible for the outbreak of the Ishval rebellion (when Sloth killed the Ishval child) and... uh, the other town where Envy impersonated the cardinal. I think it's clear that the sins want war, for some reason, and Archer's love for war might be a hint that he's one of them.

As for the Fuhrer... I haven't read the manga (only a spoiler according to which he is one of the seven deadly sins), but it'd make sense for Pride to 1) be the Fuhrer, 2) have Sloth and the others work for him, or if they're not working together, 3) to have his own ways and goals. (And since I'm already spoiled, I might as well ask: has the identity of Sloth been revealed in the manga? A simple yes or no would be enough.)

As for the Ishval people... I think they either already had the Philosopher's stone at the time of the rebellion, or (a bit more plausible version) got very close to creating it. We learn in ep 31 that Scar's brother was not the only one who experimented with it, and we could see in ep 21-22 that the tattoo on Scar's arm (that is his brother's - now how did it end up on Scar?) is actually the same transformation circle that is required to creating the Philosopher's Stone. (And if the Fuhrer actually is a homonculus, it provides another reason for him trying to capture Scar.)
Tashatasha_mac on May 3rd, 2004 10:42 am (UTC)
Envy impersonated the cardinal to draw the Elrics in and lead them along toward making the Philosopher's Stone. I don't think it's so much that they want war as they don't care who gets hurt on the way to getting what they want.

The Fuhrer...I dunno...I'll probably be proved wrong, but I don't think that if he IS a Sin, he's running the show. He does have uncanny information and timing, but he seems to me to be more the type that just lags back and goes along with what everyone else does.

I don't know for sure about Sloth's manga appearance, but someone described him as a large, muscle-bound guy, so I guess so. ^_^;

In all the hubbub about Envy and the kid, I completely forgot about that last tasty Ishbal scene! What Scar finds will actually be veeeery interesting. It also fits that the only "heretics" we've seen in the Ishbal culture have those tattoos (Scar and his brother). Maybe his brother created it just before he wandered around naked? Maybe the process that created the Philosopher's Stone marks the creator.
kuromitsu: Marikokuromitsu on May 3rd, 2004 09:32 am (UTC)
I sent the comment without proofreading it... -_- What I wanted to say:

"Also, let's not forget that it the sins were responsible for the outbreak of the Ishval rebellion (when Sloth killed the Ishval child) and the rebellion in... uh, the other town, where Envy impersonated the cardinal."
Tashatasha_mac on May 3rd, 2004 10:34 am (UTC)
OMFGWTFBBQASDLFKJALKN. I watched episode 29 and thought "I need to be careful, Envy's gonna be around after this" and then TOTALLY FELL FOR THE WHOLE FUHRER THING HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

Damn that Envy. Damn him to hell. *grumblegrumble*

This episode had more new questions and half-answers than you can shake a stick at. Waiting this next week's gonna be torture! :X
zeeeee joebbgc___whore on May 3rd, 2004 12:20 pm (UTC)
about Archer not acting with much pride if he truly is Pride:

Sloth does not act slothful whatsoever. if anything, she works the hardest among the homunculi (well, maybe not compared to fuhrer). the attacks and how they look seem to deal more with their names. or maybe not 'cause gluttony, greed, and possibly wrath act that way so w/e.
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on May 3rd, 2004 01:06 pm (UTC)
Just a thought on the Fuhrer possibly being a sin...I think he would fit for Wrath actually. Just, not under the meaning of just being angry. Like this rather; Punishment or vengeance as a manifestation of anger.

I mean, he started a war on the Isbal, presumably because they were trying to make a stone. And if he's in charge of the other sins and directs them, well he made sure there was a rebellion with Envy taking up the place of the miracle-maker creep and such.

He's a very sneaky guy. I think he'd deliver his wrath covertly. He must be something to see in battle though, and he does look pretty angry in the preview of ep 31. We'll see how that goes...