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29 April 2006 @ 11:39 pm
theories, theories!  
uhm ok, today I suddenly realized something! <3 follow the cut, cuz it contains spoiilers! <33


XD ok, since ed and envy are half bro's, wouldn't an edvy fanfic be elricest? I mean, even though they're HALF brothers, they're BROTHERS after all! XD anyway, now I'll shut my mouth before somebody shoots me!!!!
 
 
 
腹蛇: [alucard] Well let's think about that...youkofujima on April 30th, 2006 03:45 am (UTC)
Not exactly, technically speaking. Ed and Al carry their mother's name, Trisha never registered into Hohenheim's name, so Hohenheim's last name is not Elric.

Therefore, Hoju (Envy's true form, as I like to call him) is not part of the Elric family by name. By blood, he is a half-brother, but by name not an "Elric."
lilfmagurl on April 30th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
well, I know that he's not an "elric", but still, it's kinda elricest, right? even though only ed is an elric...man that sounded weird o_o
腹蛇: [alucard] Well let's think about that...youkofujima on April 30th, 2006 03:51 am (UTC)
It's an on-going debate of whether or not he can be counted as an Elric (I say no cuz that's Trisha's last name). It'd be half-incest, since they're half-brothers. But like I said, by name he is not an Elric.

This falls into the: "All Elricest is Incest, but not all Incest is Elricest" category.

And even though Ed is an Elric, Elricest is usually pertaining to a system where all the participating members are exclusively Elrics. Cuz Hoju is an outsider, he disrupts the "Elrics-only" component of the pairing. It takes two to tango, in my opinion.
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palais: jibberpalais on April 30th, 2006 04:12 am (UTC)
Please tell me that "Hoju" comes from the "Homer Jr." bit from the Simpsons. XD

"How about Homer Jr.? The kids can call you Ho-Ju!"
(no subject) - youkofujima on April 30th, 2006 04:14 am (UTC) (Expand)
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she's an old-time ambassadortsunderes on April 30th, 2006 04:37 am (UTC)
Not even by blood technically because Envy is a recreation of who would be Edward's half brother.

And sorry for the completely random person commenting. I found this conversation whilst searching for pictures on Google. xD
(no subject) - c_b_syndrome on April 30th, 2006 12:11 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Kallielkalliel on April 30th, 2006 03:51 am (UTC)
...to add to youkofujima's comment:

That is, if Envy had any blood to "be of blood" with. I'm under the pretense that he does not. XD
lilfmagurl on April 30th, 2006 03:52 am (UTC)
XD;; but we're not talking LITERALLY! XD aw man, am I the only one that is on sugar here?!?
(no subject) - sliefoxx on April 30th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC) (Expand)
Do you jive?dravenbellatrix on April 30th, 2006 04:08 am (UTC)
Well tech Envy WAS a human, and that human was Ed's half brother. So umm, yea it would be incest if the fan fic has Envy in human form... k nvm confusing myself, lol.
Comtesse de Villefortdevillefort on April 30th, 2006 04:15 am (UTC)
Yeah, I thought the same thing.

Someone needs to write a "One Big Happy Elric Family" fic. EdxAlxEnvyxHohenheim? I'm down with that.
Still Naive, Not Photogenic: L & his Ricesliefoxx on April 30th, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
*Cackles* I was just thinking about that ... ::plot bunnies start dancing:: >:)
lilfmagurl on April 30th, 2006 03:48 pm (UTC)
o_o that fanfic would be SCARY!!!!!!!!! *shivers*
Saya Aensland: BWAHAHA!saya_aensland on April 30th, 2006 05:10 pm (UTC)
What, no Trisha? =( The poor lady always gets ignored when she's not being an angst source for Ed...
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Still Naive, Not Photogenicsliefoxx on April 30th, 2006 04:42 am (UTC)
^^; But he's still a half brother.

The only thing keeping me from counting EnvyxEd and/or Al as incest is that Envy is not the actual person that was Hohenheim's other son. Being a homunculi, he's only a shadow of the person that was being 'resurrected'.

Even if Envy and the Elric's considered him part of the family, that'd still only be half-right because they're only related through Hohenheim. And I doubt Ed wants to call Envy 'Big Brother'. >:)

So yes, technically it's incest, (not Elricest though ... unless Hohenheim kept the 'Elric' name for all those years @.@ ::hasn't read the manga::) but not really.
Toby: Alt3h_toby_chan on April 30th, 2006 05:32 am (UTC)
It is only theoretical incest.

Hoenheim fahtered Envy's human predecessor in another body than the one in which he fathered Ed and Al. Thus the relationship as half brothers is not physical.

Thus would be the spiritual relation, however Envy, as a homunculus, does not have the soul of Hoenheim's son.

Therefore, they have no relation except in theory, and since they never had any form of sibling relationship, they aren't family on an emotional level, either.
takarifreaktakarifreak on April 30th, 2006 06:31 am (UTC)
^ Took the words right from my mouth.


As for the whole Hohenheim issue, I can't say about the Manga, but in the anime, his last name IS Elric. Now, one can argue the validity of that being his actual last name (there's always a chance he "stole" it from the body he's in, or it could even be Trisha's name), but in epsiode 3, the letters on the desk clearly bear the name "Hohenheim Elric".

And supposing it really was his true last name...even so, Envy technically would not be an Elric. He's dead and turned homunculus. That's a whole different story.