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23 April 2006 @ 01:52 pm
Question about Ed  
Okay I have one question for now that's been bugging me about the series... 

Why, when Ed's soul was possessing alter!Ed's body, did Hohenheim say that Ed could still find a way back to the alchemy world...?  I mean, didn't Hohemheim say alchemy didn't exist in our world?   And that HE couldn't even go back, even despite his decaying form...?  It doesn't make sense to me.  Unless Hohemheim KNEW that alter!Ed's body would die..thus sending Ed back through the Gate.... But still, I can find no logical *teehee* answer to it.  Once someone arrives in our world, according to the plot, one can never go back...unless...*insert movie plot here*  So...anyone have any clue as to what Hohemheim really meant? Or...am I just being stupid...?

...You know...I'm suddenly thinking about Al...in the armor...and how, at the beginning, he rarely showed emotion...and then at the end...he was FULL of it.  Maybe he was getting used to showing emotion through his soul rather than physicality. 

~Adonis Belle

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xevisceraxxeviscerax on April 23rd, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC)
I'm hesitant to put forth any of my theories about what's going on at the end of the series because... well...

It makes abso-fricken-lutely no sense whatsoever!

I mean, seriously, I love the show. It's what got me into the FMA fandom. But honestly, the plot-holes and loose ends are just too plentiful. I'm going to watch the last 6 or 7 episodes over again, to see if there's something I missed.
full_mentalfull_mental on April 23rd, 2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
i decided that without the manga, the animators needed some help with the plot....so they started doing crack. its the only "logical" solution. i mean, there are some plot holes so big that even I can't ignore them!
Ipityipitydaf00l on April 23rd, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC)
If I remember correctly it was because just Ed's soul came across the gate and not his body. If his body had crossed over also, then he would have problems getting back.
Justice for allpuckyducky on April 23rd, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
That's what I thought.
Ipityipitydaf00l on April 23rd, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
Ah good. I was worried that I was too busy thinking, 'Ah alter!Ed is so cute!!!' and totally ignored everything else in that episode. ^.^"
nightfireblazenightfireblaze on April 23rd, 2006 09:24 pm (UTC)
It was becuase Ed's body was stuck inside the gate so all Ed had to do was die for his soul to get back there sence 'all the souls of this world end up inside the gate' then Ed could break out like wrath but becuase Dante had the gate open for her already, Ed just needed to walk out.
Ami: Poor tuna... (Made by silverwind13 )threeonetwo on April 23rd, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC)
...I'll quote from a thread on that episode a while back, because it's the only way I can explain it.

Ed fell down a plot hole on his way out the door.
Leilevelcro_panda on April 24th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)

That's simply the best way to put it.
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梅奧m3y0 on April 23rd, 2006 11:54 pm (UTC)
Al was in denial..No, really. :<

He always displayed emotions, it was just more emotional at the end, no?
♌ sudama, corrupter of peppers.su_dama on April 24th, 2006 12:05 am (UTC)
Ah...that makes sense now... It's just odd to think that alter!Ed's body could just spit out Edward's soul without a moment's notice. What I find so sad is the fact, essentially, Edward KILLS his alter.... He's just killing everyone, isn't he? *not even counting the zeppelin as the threat*
Kat Mastersevil_kat on April 24th, 2006 02:18 am (UTC)
thats because there were snakes on that zeppelin!
♌ sudama, corrupter of peppers.su_dama on April 24th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)
And also...yeah, I did find it weird about Al saying, "Look, he's still warm...." Logically, it doesn't compute. But perhaps he's just saying it to feel humane? Or...he can actually feel it due to the Stone. Not sure.

It's just like...the belated realization I had about Ed's automail and Psiren's boob. I mean, I never realized it until it was too late that the reason he was confused of where his metal hand rested was because he couldn't FEEL anything...but still, the whole squeeze action always gets me.... It's as if Ed must do something in order to be sure that he's actually touching a breast. lol. Well, he didn't "mean" it, after all....*rolls eyes*
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♌ sudama, corrupter of peppers.su_dama on April 24th, 2006 01:07 am (UTC)
Yes, we COULD start a whole thing about the boob issue. In the subbed version, Ed's like, "Whoa, you're a woman!" after he squeezes Psiren's breasts. You would think it would have clicked long ago that Psiren's figure was more inclined toward's a woman's in the first place....

And of course, in the dubbed, I think Ed only does it...maybe because of curiosity, because he can't believe he's actually "harassing" a woman...or...that he's just curious about the action. But in the end, it's just too cute to see a boy "broaden his horizons". LOL....buuut, it makes more sense for the subbed, because of the whole sequence of *fall on Psiren*, *touch boob*, *squeezed boob*, *realize it's a boob*, and hence: "You're a woman!"

I just know that Vic Mignogna, our RR Fuhrer, believes it's a good scene. *teehee*
Marajadedsilk on April 24th, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
OMG Thank you! Just, Thank you, I thought I was the only one who noticed that and went WTF?!

Velvet Macevelvet_mace on April 24th, 2006 01:56 am (UTC)
Well, it's my theory that all that came about like this.

BONES: Damn it, I got three more episodes to resolve this whole plot. What the heck should I do.

(Three marajuana cigarrettes later)

BONES: Dude, this totally ROCKS! (scribbles madly).
Ipityipitydaf00l on April 24th, 2006 02:28 am (UTC)
You know...I think Bones and the makers of Sailor Moon Live Action Series must have been sharing a room at that moment. *nods* Yep. That would explain a lot of things.
mlle_bienvenumlle_bienvenu on April 24th, 2006 07:39 am (UTC)
hehe well, it's not called Bones for nothing XD (bones = slang for marijuana )
Edward Elric: smileimxnotxshort on April 24th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
okay, I feel the need to throw my insane logic into the mix.

It's already been mentioned, but flat out - Dante had the gate open, and it just so coincidentally happened to be perfectly timed with Ed's clap and near death experience. Wee, fate. Oh wait, we don't believe in that....

what irks me is that he's all emo about it after. Like, he's surrounded by all these people ready and able to kill him - his brother is in danger, here! - and he stares at his hand and mumbles to himself about the fact that alter!Ed died in exchange for his return. No, no sweetie. Alter Ed and you would have died TOGETHER if Wrath wasn't such a stubborn fool.
Of course, since souls pass through the gate once they die it may have wound up with the same result anywho - what with Ed's body still being there and whatnot.

I digress.

on the Psiren matter, in the dub it is well known that she's a woman, they call her female before actually meeting her, so Ed knew getting into that thing that it was a female. I hadn't considered that Ed couldn't feel it because of his automail - makes sense, it was his right hand - I just figured it was a quick *graboops!* more or less just that his hand landed there. Also, in the dub he says "I didn't mean that!" as opposed to the sub's "WTF, you're a woman!" That moment was saved for Barry the Chopper (in an earlier episode) when he cries "You're a man!" after he takes the wig off.

Lastly, (I hope) I can't speak for the sub, but in the dub I don't recall Al mentioning that Ed is still warm. Perhaps he does, but he does say "There's still some color in his face." So, if Al had claimed to know Edward's level of warmth, I blame it on the fact that he assumed his brother was still warm based on the color of his flesh.
I don't remember whether or not he says that at all in the dub, though.

Also, the preview for Death is just a sound clip of Al screaming. I've rewatched the last three episodes obsessively - it's what I do - and still fail to see that scene happening in any of them, nevermind the one it was the preview for.

I do have to say velvet_mace's theory is definitely logical, also.