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23 April 2006 @ 07:04 am
 


Ok, so hohenheim created the stone. in the episode of the anime where he confronts dante he says something to the effect of, "where is the small piece of the stone that i left you" something along those lines to make you believe he left her with a smaller piece then he took himself. if hers is completly gone, where did his go? i know he used it the same way she did, but wouldnt he have had more of the stone? what else was he doing with it?

all of the homunculi lived up to their sin name except for sloth. wrath was angry all the time, envy was envious of a lot of things, pride was prideful about the military, gluttony.. well that obvious, lust was lustful and greed was greedy. was that just an oversight or me being weird

when fighting with mustang, how come pride couldnt tell his son had his skull in the bag?

how was dante going to use the stone if gluttony ate it?

and when she saw al going towards ed, why didnt she put ed on the other side of the gate?

right before hohenheim went to confront dante, him and al were talking. what was the question al asked him as the camera panned away? (also if that comes up in the movie could you tell me that. i still havent seen the movie yet and i think it comes up in there)

when the state alchemist were given the stones marco made they could all use theirs powers differently. when gran used it he still had to use his arm, when mustang used it he still had to use his gloves, when armstrong used it he still had to use his hands... how come kimblee was able to blow stuff up without touching anything. he did the same thing in lior. he was blowing up stuff without being near it at all?

when ed was fighting wrath and lust at the hotel near the end of the series, wrath took part of ed's arm. ed was still able to use alchemy without it. then how come when scar took his whole arm he wasnt able to put his hand on his shoulder and still use alchemy, i mean wouldnt he still be forming an array within his body. i mean wrath can form a cirle with ed hand and foot. and for that matter, how come ed cant do that. i mean its still a circle. it would look stupid but hey its better then no alchemy at all.
 
 
yaminokurisu on April 23rd, 2006 01:09 pm (UTC)
1. Err, no clue.
2. Heheh, I always had a theory that by being watery, she was travellign i nthe air and not using her legs. That can be laziness ^_^
3. He could. You could see his reaction.
4. I think he would become the stone or soemthing, like Al did...
5. Ask her why~
6. Uhm... don't remember.
7. Well, it amplified his power, thus he could just ask for ior to blwo up. The other 3 were able to use their power to a higher degree too: Roy could do long-distance, Armstrong had much more strength, and Gran was able to use far more of the metal he had.
8. Err... I don't get it. Maybe someone else does.
Regx_reggg on April 23rd, 2006 01:11 pm (UTC)
about the bradley/mustang fight question, bradley did know that his son had the skull, hence he sweated a lot and strangled him. he might have asked out of curiousity and hoped it wasn't, but he unconsciously should have known it was his skull :P

kimblee might have just changed the chemical stuff in people then told them to flee, they flee into the buildings, KABOOM .___. or he might have changed the properties of the chemicals in the buildings then walked back to see the show .__.

i don't remember why scar lost the arm he lost first, but then scar's alchemy works a different way. the alchemy circle is his right arm, so he only needs that arm to blow stuff up, not that it's complete alchemy...

that's all i know XD
Still Naive, Not Photogenicsliefoxx on April 23rd, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
Sloth's name was probably an onverlook.

Bradley did know about the skull, and was pissed off.

I think Dante didnt kill Ed, 'cause for the first time, we was really acting with athority around her, and that freaked her out.

She probably was just gonna kill Gluttony, 'cause she's an evil bitch, and who cares about useless Glottony? >.<

That conversation with Hohenheim did kinda float off into the distance, didn't it? O.o It's not addressed in the movie either. ;_;
c_b_syndromec_b_syndrome on April 23rd, 2006 01:25 pm (UTC)
1) Until he met Trish and fell in love, he was doing as Dante did, jumping from body to body. I'm -assuming- that after he fell in love he saw the error of his ways, and destroyed his portion of the stone.

2)I'm assuming the same thing someone else did, her being "water" would make her lazy and sloppy?

3)He could tell. Especially when he came close and was weakened.

4)Gluttony's "thing" is that every thing he eats is converted to an incomplete Philosopher's Stone. How they'd get it from him after it was converted is anyone's guess (although the answer is revealed in the movie)

5)It wasn't in the script?

6)I don't recall the question, but I know it doesn't come up in the movie.

7)They didn't use their abilities differently, they were enhanced. I'm going to guess that since Kimblee is able to "time" his explosions, he might've run through the town and triggered everything on some kind of timer so he'd be out of the way by the time it all went boom. Eh... I could be way off-base, too.

8) Wrath only took -part- of Ed's arm. He could still create a circle, whereas Scar destroyed the entire arm, so Ed couldn't make the circle, thus unable to activate the array in his body. Keep in mind, there is actual character development, and Ed grows and changes. In the begining, he still needed chalk for his array until he discovered completely by accident that just a clap would activate his internal array. So with his encounter with Scar, two things come into play, he's still learning (he's 14 or 15 at this point), and in the heat of battle, if he hadn't realized he could do something before that, he wouldn't be thinking about it then, either.

The Glass Swordsannask on April 23rd, 2006 07:20 pm (UTC)
1) my guess is that he used all of his stone to do a really good job transferring his soul into that body and preserving that body and stuff.... cause he's been in that body for a LONG time and has relatively little rotties going on, compared to dante, who probably uses smaller fragments of stone in order to body hop more often and less perfectly. that's my theory tho, not anything official.
c_b_syndromec_b_syndrome on April 23rd, 2006 08:07 pm (UTC)
Good point! I hadn't looked it it quite like that.
theydontloveyou on April 23rd, 2006 01:55 pm (UTC)
Sloth slowed her enemies down, by wrapping them up and making them immobile.
mlle_bienvenumlle_bienvenu on April 23rd, 2006 01:57 pm (UTC)
As much as I like the anime, most of these questions have to do with loose storytelling on the anime people's part.

+++Ok, so hohenheim created the stone. . .if hers is completly gone, where did his go? wouldnt he have had more of the stone? what else was he doing with it?+++

I have no real proof, but I believe he still had some of hit left when he crossed the Gate, but because he couldn't do alchemy anymore, it was pretty much useless after that.

+++All of the homunculi lived up to their sin name except for sloth. . . was that just an oversight or me being weird+++

One definition of sloth is being physically lazy, but another definition is to get people to do your work for you through manipulation. And what was it that Sloth did? She manipulated the military to carry out plans. Also -and this is more symbolic of sloth than anything practical- water takes the shape of it's container, therefore, it could be considered 'lazy' in that it doesn't hold it's own shape.

+++hen fighting with mustang, how come pride couldnt tell his son had his skull in the bag?+++

I think, like the others above me said, that he could. However it seemed more like a plot device that he couldn't prevent it by knowing ahead of time. I play Bradley in an RPG, and it's darn hard to keep him from godmodding because of that stupid eye of his. I often have to resort to his 'pride' being his downfall, where he knows something is going to happen, but feels he's invincible enough to not care. (only works with the anime-based threads though. . . when he's Wrath, I have to play him so he's too angry to care, although M!Bradley seems to godmod a lot less than A!Bradley for some reason . . . and that was waay more info than you actually wanted XDDD, okay next question XD)


+++how was dante going to use the stone if gluttony ate it?+++

The anime version of alchemy is sloppily put together compared to the manga version of alchemy which seems to be thought out more. But I think the general idea was that when gluttony ate the stone, he would become a pstone himself.


+++and when she saw al going towards ed, why didnt she put ed on the other side of the gate?+++

Because that would've been the smart thing for Dante to do? Because the anime people needed a way to bring Ed back and wrap up the series? The whole ending to the series, although I really liked the series a lot, it just seemed a bit convoluted and contrived.

Seriously, if you want an in-plot answer. . . the best I can give you is that perhaps the gate won't take dead bodies, or something. . . I really have nothing to back that up, but it's as good an explanation as any. .. sorry . . .


+++right before hohenheim went to confront dante, him and al were talking. what was the question al asked him as the camera panned away?+++

: goes to rewatch that part : Hmmm. . . I don't know. . . But I get the impression Al was just trying to change the subject away from his human transmutation and especially from the fact that they transmuted Trisha (at that point, Hoho only knew they performed a human transmutation, not that the transmutation was of Trisha)

+++when the state alchemist were given the stones marco made they could all use theirs powers differently.how come kimblee was able to blow stuff up without touching anything. he did the same thing in lior. he was blowing up stuff without being near it at all?+++

The sloppy anime!Alchemy strikes again. Really there's no answer for this other than the Pstone could maybe be said to augment Kim's powers enough to not have to touch it. It doesn't make sense. . . but. . . :-/ sorry again .

+++how come when scar took his whole arm he wasnt able to put his hand on his shoulder and still use alchemy,+++

Probably another plot device problem. . . if Ed could use alchemy in that situation, he wouldn't have had to almost sacrifice himself for Al. (I was on the edge of my seat the first time I saw that O_O )

+++and for that matter, how come ed cant do that. i mean its still a circle. it would look stupid but hey its better then no alchemy at all.+++

Theorhetically he should be able to. I guess Ed just hasn't thought of it yet. :P (I also play Ed in that RPG I mentioned above, and I've had Ed doing that as well :P )
alchemy_nekoalchemy_neko on April 23rd, 2006 02:05 pm (UTC)
With the whole Sloth thing, she didn't do too much when it came to fighting, she was more behind the scenes and the brains of the whole thing. It took a really long time for her to come out and actually fight...Everyone else was fighting right away in one way or another. She just sat around as Bradley's secratary until they absolutely needed help.
takarifreaktakarifreak on April 23rd, 2006 04:04 pm (UTC)
Ok, so hohenheim created the stone. ...if hers is completly gone, where did his go? i know he used it the same way she did, but wouldnt he have had more of the stone? what else was he doing with it?

Nothing is ever said of this...for all we know, his could be gone too. It's never confrimed nor denied they had the same amount to begin with.

all of the homunculi lived up to their sin name except for sloth.

Until later in the series, Sloth stayed behind a desk and pretty much barked orders and didn't do a damn thing.

when fighting with mustang, how come pride couldnt tell his son had his skull in the bag?

He could when he got close enough. I'm more concerned with how unaffected he was when he was RIGHT NEXT TO the safe it was in prior when he gave Selim the key.

how was dante going to use the stone if gluttony ate it?

Well, do you REALLY think Al was going to do what she asked with the stone? It's much easier to transfer it into someone who was already on her side. What better way to give it to another person than to have it eaten by the homonculous who's "talent" is eating anything (not to mention stripped of his mind so he couldn't resist her)? Makes perfect sense to me. Remember, Tucker used a bit of the stone when Al had it; Dante would use it from Gluttony in much the same way.

and when she saw al going towards ed, why didnt she put ed on the other side of the gate?

The Stone had been activated, and any Alchemy used around it could produce and unstable reaction (and crap like that). It's mentioned a few times. She'd have to USE alchemy to put Ed across the gate again, and she's not so stupid to risk the stone to move someone who's all but dead anyway.


then how come when scar took his whole arm he wasnt able to put his hand on his shoulder and still use alchemy, i mean wouldnt he still be forming an array within his body.

I think the first thing on Ed's mind when the arm exploded was "oh, ****!". I mean, look at his face, he's pretty much in shock about it, and evidently not thinking straight. Not to metntion he hits the pavement pretty hard there. Had his brain been functioning at the moment, he might have thought to do that. But then again, he thought he was gonna die anyway, so why the hell do anything?
Emmagretchen8642 on April 23rd, 2006 04:40 pm (UTC)
1. it's possible that hohenheim destoryed it after he met trisha. i mean, that's when he decided not to jump bodies anymore, right?

2. well each of the other sins were kinda created because an alchemist wanted to DO something. (lust was created by scar's brother who wanted to have sex with her, wrath was created when izumi was frustrated at her failures as a mother, and he became angry for being left in the gate, gluttony was made to consume and create an imperfect philosipher's stone...) the thing about sloth is that, at this point in the anime, arakawa is not involved and so you find plotholes. dante names sloth, mostly because at the point at which they name her the only two sins not taken by other homunculi are wrath and sloth, and she's not very wrathful... i always kinda figured it was because the animators needed a sloth, and needed a name for the thing ed and al accidentally created.

3. plothole. or he's just disctracted because taking down mustang successfully is quite a feat, and he IS pride after all. i guess he did figure out that the skull was there, but a little too late.

4. gluttony's being used to create an imperfect philosipher's stone, so i guess if he ate a perfect one they might get a SUPER one. she also probly wanted to get it out of al so that she could have more control over it.

5. she seemed really scared of al as he got all determined. maybe she didn't think of it. either way al would have tried to get ed back.

6. um... i don't know. haha

7. uh. plot hole again? i dunno, maybe since his stone was on a necklace he could surge the power through his feet? or maybe you don't see him clapping his hands and touching something cause he's too busy laughing maniically.

8. hm. well it might not be a circle so much as a weird ellipse.. XP. but um, it feel like it's probly not hte same kind of circle, ed was probly not really thinking that clearly, and at that point he was kinda resolved to death anyway, so i dunno. i feel like when wrath took away part of his arm, both arms could do an equal motion to one another and create a circle with basically equivelent sides. but i could be wrong? it might just be more anime something or other.

Rappydappydappy McTappy: Batcave!raptorix on April 23rd, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
*Uwah, doesn't have time to explain all these...*

All I can say is: Blame Bones for the plotholes.
simmegamisimmegami on April 24th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC)
and when she saw al going towards ed, why didnt she put ed on the other side of the gate?


1. If Dante did call the gate and send Ed's body to the other side, it wouldn't matter. Al is the Philosopher's Stone. He can make Ed's body using human transmutation.
2. Remember Ed's soul is in front of the gate if Dante called the gate she would only be helping Al.