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23 April 2006 @ 03:04 am
 
For the sake of research I am conducting, I have a quick question.
From the perspectives of everyday anime fans, how many of the posters here feel like manga and/or anime is not a 'true art' genre?
Answers would be immensely helpful and greatly appreciated. Also, you don't have to make the answers long (like explain why...) or anything, though if you feel like sharing it would certainly help.
PS. please consider while responding, that being biased is easy in a manga-based community... Facts and reasons will definetly help convince people much better than "YEAH, its a true art form, because I say so!"
If you can identify why FMA in particular is a good manga/anime, that would also be awesome. Feel free to use examples such as characters (Edward, Alphonse, or even the Homunculi), character motivations and storylines/plot... Those would definetely be of help.

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[★i slipped on my slippers]ceasefire on April 23rd, 2006 11:13 am (UTC)
It's a true art form, just like something like writing is. Art is just expressed through different genres under the same umbrella. Manga is a Japanese style of art, just like cartoons are a Western style of art.
mlle_bienvenumlle_bienvenu on April 23rd, 2006 01:16 pm (UTC)
: Mlle eats her hat and grabs the next volume of FMA :
I'm ashamed to admit that I
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I'm ashamed to admit that I <gasp!> used to be a 'comic snob', meaning I was of the opinion that nothing worthwhile/profound/intellectually stimulating could be told in the form of a comic. (my definition of a 'true artform' is one that is able to express complex ideas through an act of creation )

"How can you read this, there's hardly any words!" (actually I wasn't actively a snob about it, I just didn't give them much thought)

Boy, was I wrong.

FMA completely changed my perception of comics. (And anime, I guess, although I wasn't as averse to animation telling a worthwhile story. . .I've always been into cartoons. . . so that was never really an issue, oddly enough.)

FMA (I'm using FMA as an example because I haven't read anything else. I'm fairly new to the anime/ manga scene) is completely packed with everything a regular novel has, plus the visual techniques that can be used in regular static art (such as a painting)... put them together, and what you get is even greater than the sum of it's parts. You get tons of literary techniques (forshadowing, literary references, historical references, symbolism, good old campbellian hero's journey. . . etc) plust artistic techniques (light and shadow, placement, design, visual references, more symbolism, forshadowing using visual cues, even color symbolism (although the manga isn't in color itself, color is referenced ). . . etc )

So now that I've rambled on about things that are near and dear to my heart (I have a BA in English with an interest in literary symbolism hehe. . . )

In conclusion, yes, I definitely think manga/anime is a true artform. And since I was once on the other side of the fence, I think that my feeling isn't just a baseless. . .'cuz it's cool'

I hope my rambling is helpful to you :}
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mlle_bienvenumlle_bienvenu on April 24th, 2006 06:28 am (UTC)
Re: : Mlle eats her hat and grabs the next volume of FMA :
Yeah, I want to look into Sandman. I've read some of Niel Gaiman's novel work and I liked it, and people speak highly of Sandman. . . so it's on my list of things to read. :}
Look for me with the sun bright sparrow ##: { Ed; determined }violent_aki on April 23rd, 2006 02:20 pm (UTC)
Honestly...I don't see how it couldn't be. Art is art, there is no right or wrong. Yes, I would definitely consider manga/anime to be art. I draw in that style quite frequently and have gotten criticized by art-snobs for it, and I never understood why. I understand if the person doesn't like the style, but that doesn't mean it's not art -- just like you said about us, "It's art beause I say so." They did the same thing only in the negative. I never liked taking art classes because teachers would tell us what to draw, and more often than not (like the teacher at my school), they're generally anti-cartoon and won't let you draw in that style, to which I say bollocks.

Art is art. I can't make it much clearer than that.
The Indomitable Sambruisedgarden on April 23rd, 2006 02:54 pm (UTC)
Anything is art if it evokes emotion in someone. That's it, basically.
Macfictionalizedme on April 23rd, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
'true art' - wow, there's a phrase that can stir up emotions! Art, in general, is extremely subjective. I might think that the painting I have, of a cabin in the woods, is a beautiful piece of art; another might see it as an amateur drawing, not worthy of being called 'art'. There's a scene in the book "First Wives Club", detailing an art exhibition someone is working on, where the "art" is (and I am not kidding, it's in the book) piles of fecal matter. From various New Yorkers. Yup.

In Western society, we consider Shakespeare to be one of the high artists we have ever known. He's put up on a pedestal, worshipped by high school English teachers and feared by 15 year olds. It's (selectively) forgotten that a lot of Shakespeare's pieces were written *for the common people*. He didn't always try to create "Art" - he wrote plays to put food on the table.

So, is FMA "art"? Absolutely. There is skill, attention to detail and an aesthetically pleasing sense to the FMAverse as a whole, manga AND anime. Is it on par with Shakespeare? We'll know in a few hundred years.
Marikaitou_marina on April 23rd, 2006 04:47 pm (UTC)
This is not a general manga and anime community, and thus this post is not on-topic. Please either edit your post to make it more relevant to Fullmetal Alchemist or delete it. Thank you.
Blinkyblnl2k2 on April 23rd, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
Ah, I'm so sorry, I didn't even think about it.
Is that okay?
evilmooglequeen: kinoevilmooglequeen on April 23rd, 2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
Anime and manga can be art, but it isn't always. Really, it depends on the quality and the purpose of making it. Most anime is sadly comerical art and meant to make a profit, not evoke emotion or a message. But there is some anime out there that can be considered art, or at least is very artistically presented. I'd say the FMA manga is closer to being art than the anime, but I'm biased because I have a grudge against the ending of the anime.
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evilmooglequeen: pic#43485902evilmooglequeen on April 24th, 2006 04:15 am (UTC)
Yea, that pretty much sums up my thoughts.
x__primadonna on April 23rd, 2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
Manga is an art in the way that story telling is an art. Manga are stories with pictures. Sometimes those pictures are very well done, but they are only there to assist in the story telling, just like making sound effects.