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20 April 2004 @ 05:47 pm
FMA-27 thoughts  
I've just re-watched FMA 27 before going on to 28, and I was wondering about array-less alchemy like Ed uses.

Would it be possible that the only alchemists capable of performing alchemy without a transmutation circle are the ones that have attempted Human Transmutation?

I mean.. Izumi-sensei looked so shocked when Ed saved that kitten from certain death when it fell from the roof. The fact that he did not need to use an array seemed to really stun her, and not in a good way.

After they buried the cat, and only the three of them are left on the field, this happens:
- Izumi mentions how hard it is to make a child understand death. *a shot of their backs, wind blowing*
- Ed asks if she had ever wished she could make the dead come back to life - apparently the second time he has asked this, as seen in the...
- Flashback: some explanation about transmutation circles, and how they work for alchemists. Death is part of the 'flow' of things, and reviving someone goes against that flow.
- Izumi asks about Al's empty armour and Ed's automail, and how she noticed.

And now comes the interesting part...
- Izumi: "You didn't use a transmutation circle back there, did you?"
- Ed looks away from her, looking quite... what is it, ashamed, guilty, generally troubled?
- Izumi: Did you... see "it"?
- Ed: "...yes."
- Izumi: What happened? Tell me everything.
- Flashback to Ed and Al's mother dying, and their disastrous attempt to revive her
- Ed: I... We... transmuted our mother!
- Izumi: *kicks Ed away as he looks up at the confession.

See? It can just be me, of course, but the not-using-an-array seems to be connected to Human Transmutation - Izumi seemed to know that was what they had done, when she asked if they had seen "it", since I'm assuming she meant their... revived... mother.

Which makes me wonder, has Izumi performed Human Transmutation as well? She can perform alchemy without needing an array.
The question is: Why would she link non-array alchemy with human transmutation? Could Ed not have grown stronger in the time they were away, that he had outgrown the need for a circle?
After all, I doubt it's documented somewhere that "alchemist who have survived an attempt at human transmutation will no longer need an array for their craft in the future."

It would perhaps explain why Mason reacted so strongly to Winly's question about Izumi having children, and his frantic attempt to change the subject.

Hmmm... food for thought!

I'd love to know what others think about it - even if it's just "you're a twisted girl with too much free time on your hands, if you have time to think about stuff like that!" Don't I wish... *whimpers at the to-be-written report*

First post here, btw. ^^;;; Ehm, hi? *hides*
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Current Music: Matantei Loki Ragnarok - ED - Believe in Heaven
I run on coffee and impatiencemelts on April 20th, 2004 09:01 am (UTC)
Hmm, really interesting food for thought...I had thought it odd when that guy objected and got all flustered when Winry asked about Izumi having kids, and this theory certainly could explain it.

Wait...but then wouldn't Al be able to do alchemy without a transmutation circle as well? He and Ed both tried to revive their mother....
the Anything Muppetxerne on April 20th, 2004 09:32 am (UTC)
I got the impression Al got... you, know, disassembled... and he blacked out. Whereas Ed actually did get a good look.
Bochan: Haru - Never let gobochan on April 20th, 2004 11:25 am (UTC)
Yes, but maybe it needs some sort of, I don't know, crisis situation to manifest? I've been searching in the earlier episodes if Ed could always use alchemy without an array, and in episode 6, he needs to draw one in the snow to make the flowers grow. This is before he has taken the State Alchemist Exam.

When Gracia's giving birth to Elysia, Ed's totally stressed out at his inability to do something. When Nina mentions the water being cold, he heats it up again without an array - I think this is the first time he has done that, judging from their amazement. Both are completely stunned that there wasn't a transmutation circle involved in the heating.

So, now Ed knows he can do it - maybe he thinks it's a freak occurance at the time, but it has happened. Later in the episode they discuss it, and neither has a clue as to why it happened.
Later, at the practical exam, might very well be the second time he uses alchemy without an array - again in a crisis situation. If he hadn't acted, that man would have died from the falling pieces of rock. He looks at his hands, as if he couldn't quite believe what he was doing. This is also the first time he has clapped (to make a circle?) before acting. <- at 21:30min, give or take a few seconds.

I think that he only begins using the non-array alchemy (or whatever you call it) after that, now that he knows how to - he's done it twice in stressy situations, so maybe he can do it in normal situations as well?
Look as the three of them are walking back over the bridge after the exam... Ed's examining his hands, as if he's wondering about the possibilities.

Now, for Al. I don't believe Al has been in the situation where he needed to use alchemy without having the time to draw an array. He's always with Ed, and if there's no time for an array, either Ed uses alchemy - or Al uses his armour for a fight or something.

So... Maybe Al will be able to do so as well in the future - when and if there is a situation that forces him to act without an array, as those first two times for Ed have been.

I'm not sure, of course, if this will happen any time soon - or if they will happen at all. >.>;;; This is pure speculation on my part. *notices the size of the post* O.O;;; ...and lots of it, as well.

*posts before she can elaborate even more*
Saya Aenslandsaya_aensland on April 20th, 2004 09:51 am (UTC)
Highlight for spoilers: When you attempt human transmutation, you are taken to a great door with a sephiroth on it. Behind this door is The Truth, all the knowledge in the world, from the working of DNA and cells to the history of humanity. Most people cannot take in all the information, which is why human transmutation ends up being lethal in most cases. It's hard to explain in words, I can link you to some manga scans that show the door and what's behind the door.

However, you cannot enter the door without a payment. Izumi DID attempt human transmutation. I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard people say she tried to revive her unborn child, which died during the pregnancy. Her price was some internal organs (it might be possible her womb/reproduction organs were one of them), which is why she throws up blood at times.

Al saw The Truth as well, but forgot, probably due to the trauma. But he remembers seeing The Truth in manga chapter 30, when another person's blood gets splashed onto his blood seal. He does the hand-clappy transmutation for the first time in manga chapter 33.

Human transmutation does not directly result in alchemy without array, but human transmutation most likely results in seeing The Truth. Seeing The Truth -> hand-clappy transmutation, if you can survive it. But it always comes with a price.
tenkou_kisei on April 20th, 2004 09:56 am (UTC)
=O You roxxor! Thanks! <333 Where'd you get all this info? O__o
Saya Aenslandsaya_aensland on April 20th, 2004 10:19 am (UTC)
All manga RAWs/Chinese scanslations I could get my grubby hands on, and lots of lurking on other people's journals. A lot of my info tidbits come from reading spoilers in comments.

*pose* When you mod an FMA section on a message board, you need all the info you can get without actually owning the manga! XD
tenkou_kisei on April 20th, 2004 11:00 am (UTC)
Now that I think of it, something like that was mentioned in this book I read called "Secrets of the Alchemists" I read recently. It mentioned something about a book called "The Secret of all Secrets". o.O
Tashatasha_mac on April 20th, 2004 07:19 pm (UTC)
Roundabouts, where can you get these raws? Or, are they in tankoubon form yet? I really need to get book 7...

Highlight for a comment to the spoilers above:
I must must MUST see Al do the hand-clappy. I must. I love Al, and that must be a huge moment for him. LOVE AL. MUST SEE. XD
Saya Aenslandsaya_aensland on April 20th, 2004 11:10 pm (UTC)
http://www.emudown.com/home/type.asp?typeid=31 Chinese scanslations. I'm afraid I've lost the page where I found my chapter 23 RAW, but I could upload them once I get back home (if I still remember by then).
Calessandriana on April 21st, 2004 09:37 pm (UTC)
LOL, that's great. It's also even funnier because a few friends and I were speculating about things after watching ep 28, and we came up with that exact idea-- the bit about Izumi-sensei-- and then I come here and read this.
Can't wait til I can get my hands on those chapters.
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on April 20th, 2004 10:04 am (UTC)
Nah, you're not twisted, you're thinking just like us. The logical conclusion to what happens in there is that HT takes something from you(bits of your body apprently) and gives back something under the form of better alchemy powers kinda. Equivalent trade, yes? :)

I'll say this again...I believe Izumi tried to transmute her recently deceased baby/young child and that's why the subject is so damn touchy with her.