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11 March 2006 @ 07:56 pm
ZOOOOOM! (Riza 57 Spoilers)  
Whoa, I was on the FMA MSNgroups message boards and I found a post done by 1【★ωϊnяφяǿckbεll【★】¤1 (or something close to that) and they had a close up shot of Riza's back.



If you look, you'll see that at the bottom of the DNA looking things, that they are actually dragons. But they are not eating their tails, so she's not a homunculus. The crazy theory I posted about Riza being a key to gate doesn't seem so crazy anymore.

Thoughts?



 
 
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The Freak: wolfram; yuuri; chance_shinchansgirl_ on March 12th, 2006 02:20 am (UTC)
*crawls out of her little hole in the wall*.

REF: http://www.polenth.demon.co.uk/myth/alchemy.html (and varying other sites)

Nagayuna
Nagayuna is the Indian branch of alchemy. The aim is to preserve the elixir of life, in order to unify the body's energies. The symbol of the naga (two entwined serpents) is used to represent the link between the earth and the heavens, and the transition from the lower levels to the higher. This symbol can be found outside temples, on stone tablets (called 'nagahals' or 'nagakals')


of course, if you want to include that center piece as a "rod", then it gets interpreted differently:

Caduceus
The caduceus consists of two serpents entwined around a central rod. It is the symbol of Mercury. This symbol was developed from the myth of Mercury, the messenger of the gods, who intervened in a fight between two serpents. When he intervened, the serpents twined around his wand. In Greek times, the caduceus sometime had wings, to symbolize the volatility of mercury. Alchemists also call mercury chaotic water, abysmal water, sylvery water, and Philosophical Basilisk.

Philosophic Mercury is sometimes represented by a serpent, or winged dragon.


And....

it says in chapter 53 that the two dragons twining together are a symbol for "perfection" - both male and female. However, the symbol on Riza's back (as far as I can tell) doesn't show two dragons/snakes of differing genders - they look identical to me. Also, according to that chapter, the sun is the symbol for the soul (moon for mind, stone for body) and the two intwining dragons upside down symbolized "throwing God to Earth".

So, what is on Riza's back?

The Sun.
Two snakes/dragons intertwining, crowned.
--possibly around a "rod" that has spots on either end. Rod could possibly be "stone" - body.
----there are two rods, in the shape of a cross (or plus sign). The fire circle overlaps the center.
--the dragons are upside down.
Alchemical circle for fire.
A bunch of words impossible to read from the image given, circling the fire circle and filling in the gaps with the snakes.
Injuries distorting the circle.

While there is a sun and a possible "stone", there is no moon, which leads to my belief that this is not a circle for human transmutation - possible soul/body transmutation, but not human transmutation, as there is no "mind" factor included.

Sorry this comment is so long! *runs and hides*
nintendocat: Busynintendocat on March 12th, 2006 02:24 am (UTC)
Wow, that's amazing. Riza is definitly more important to the plot in the manga than she was in the anime, that's for sure.

*ponders new theory*
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Sorry! ^^; - hamp_star on March 12th, 2006 02:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Sorry! ^^; - hamp_star on March 12th, 2006 02:54 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Sorry! ^^; - hamp_star on March 12th, 2006 02:50 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Re: Sorry! ^^; - glass_houses on March 12th, 2006 02:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on March 12th, 2006 03:13 am (UTC)
possibly around a "rod" that has spots on either end. Rod could possibly be "stone" - body.
----there are two rods, in the shape of a cross (or plus sign). The fire circle overlaps the center.


It looks more like a cross.

BTW, on each end of the cross, there's a set of points...each end has a different pattern design with 5 points. (mind the underscores)

Top - 5 points
Right- 5 points
Bottom-
The bottom looks like it has 6...but one of the points looks like an inking error...(but I doubt that Arakawa's assisstants did that)

I'm getting this nagging feeling I've seen the original parchment/painting with this exact array, if you will, on it....

Long comments=good. Especially when it pertains to Hagaren XD;
(no subject) - _shinchansgirl_ on March 12th, 2006 03:27 am (UTC) (Expand)
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on March 12th, 2006 03:04 am (UTC)
Look closly at her back even more, she's got HUGE scars. Especially one on the upper left area of her body...I'm curious if something severe happened to her in Ishbal during the War and if this tatoo is linked to it. (If you notice how high it goes, you realize that there is a reason why she wears a turtlneck t-shirt or something with a high collar.

*head goes spladooey*

Wha--?
nintendocat: Master of Disguse?nintendocat on March 12th, 2006 03:10 am (UTC)
Yep, that's true. Although, I am wondering how on earth she made it through the military without having to dress out or go to the women's public showers. Maybe she went really late so she could avoid everyone else.
シュエxue on March 12th, 2006 03:18 am (UTC)
was she at Ishbal? o.O
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Jessiscah_rambles on March 12th, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
Regarding the representation of the "mind" - doesn't Arakawa sometimes use the double helix/DNA design to represent it? Like when Ed was talking about his theory that his and Al's minds are linked. (I can't find the page reference for it.) The two serpents here echo that design, so maybe that is the "mind" symbol here?

But yes, the two serpents twined around the cross definitely looks like the nagayuna symbol - though upside down, perhaps again (like the Xerxes array) suggesting the reversal of earth and heaven, "throwing God to earth".

(On a note, the Xerxes array doesn't have the dragons upside-down, but rather the writing that means "God". See page 19 of chapter 53.)
nintendocat: Master of Disguse?nintendocat on March 12th, 2006 04:10 am (UTC)
Hmm... Maybe Riza's not the key to helping Father, but defeating him. *more pondering*
kawool on March 12th, 2006 06:02 am (UTC)
opposite of a homunculus?
Ok i usually peek but this chapter is so awesome i have to comment it !
Believe me or not, i'm not surprised to see a tattoo on riza's..
why ? Coz in my fangirl mind, i imagined a lot of scenarios (yea i'm a die-hard royai fangirl XD)..one of them involving riza n a tattoo...other one being riza half ishvalian (sp?)
of course i had no idea it would be like that or so big but now i can see it, my speculation is that Riza may be the opposite of a homunculus...
FMA sure does play a lot with 'law of conservation /ying yang stuff' ...so to balance things if there are sinners (the homunculi)...where are the virtues then ?

Just my two cents, but thats what i'm thinking... oh and ROYAI RULES THE WORLD XD
nintendocatnintendocat on March 12th, 2006 03:03 pm (UTC)
Re: opposite of a homunculus?
I mentioned earlier about something similar to that. Riza might be a/the key to defeating Father or something. I truly doubt that the Homunculi know anything about her tattoo since Lust was about to kill her. She's definitly something.
Re: opposite of a homunculus? - kawool on March 12th, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC) (Expand)
goddess_emilygoddess_emily on March 12th, 2006 06:56 am (UTC)
That is really cool. I love all the detail in it. I love your icon as well. It is so cute!
nintendocat: Busynintendocat on March 12th, 2006 02:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was glad I found a piccy of it close up, myself.

(Yay, a commpliment.)
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Grygongrygon on March 12th, 2006 07:14 am (UTC)
eeee! :) I haven't yet got to 57 (really I'm barely on volume2) but my inner RoyAi is very happy to see a tat of Roy's flame on Riza. *g*
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kawool on March 12th, 2006 03:19 pm (UTC)
It creates a sparkle, then a thing after another and we get a roy or riza Jr XDDD