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11 March 2006 @ 01:23 pm
 


so here, let's consolidate the various riza debates that are going on about chapter 57.

this is a list of several ones i've heard.

1. riza is pride
2. riza is the key to the gate
3. the array protects riza from roy
4. the array protects roy
5. the scars on her back were caused by roy, and they also destroy the array
6. the symbols behind roy's array are from xerxes and symbolize human transmutation
7. the symbols behind roy's array aqre from ishbal or xing and are therefor mysterious
8. riza does not know about the tattoo
9. roy does not know about the tattoo.
10. the tattoo has something to do with roy
11. she got the tattoo just for roy
12. she got the tattoo for some mystery unexplained thing/
13. the scars are there from when riza got hurt for roy
14. the scars are there from when riza got injured and roy burned the wounds to save her (like he did with havoc) thereby saving her.
15. riza's actually an alchemist
16. riza's array is a backup for roy in case he loses his gloves
17. roy hurt riza deliberately for some reason, hence the burn marks.

ok, so now i'll go through each point!

1. riza is pride
riza is almost definately NOT pride. here's why:
1) wrath says that pride was not at the scene when gluttony was captured. (riza was there)
haha i'd provide a link to the page where they say that, but the site is down
2) the shadow of pride, as seen in chapter 49 does not look like a woman.
3) while riza has a tattoo, it is not a tattoo of the oroborus. while it has a snake, the snake is not eating its own tail!
4) wrath and lust and gluttony have all tried to harm riza at one time or another. they would not have done that if she were pride.
5) as a number of people pointed out, pride is REALLY old, and riza is general grumman's canon granddaughter.

2. riza is the key to the gate
no idea. i don't know that much about how the gate works, but i have the feeling that if riza got the tattoo by herself (that is, no one made her get it) it's probably not about the gate, cause she didn't know anything about homonculi or the gate or anything until recently.

3. the array protects riza from roy
this doesn't make any sense. the array is one that allows you to control the concentration of oxygen in the air. there is nothing differant about the one on riza's back, it's the same array. i don't really see how this tattoo (especially now that the array's been broken by the scars) can protect her from roy at all, not that she needs it. roy's really careful in that way.

4. the array protects roy
same deal, there's no reason for this to protect roy.

5. the scars on her back were caused by roy, and they also destroy the array
well since the scars look like burn marks, it's entirely possible that roy caused them. this could be a very interesting backstory, which will hopefully be revealed soon.

6. the symbols behind roy's array are from xerxes and symbolize human transmutation
the intertwined snakes DO look like the ones edward drew when he was stuck in gluttony's stomach... i wish i could get a link to the page, but the site isn't working right now. sadface

7. the symbols behind roy's array aqre from ishbal or xing and are therefor mysterious
i guess this is possible, but i feel like they really DO look more like the xerxes symbols.

8. riza does not know about the tattoo
...come on! it's her back! i know i've seen my back at least once in the past 7 years.

9. roy does not know about the tattoo.
no idea, but this could be a very very interesting royai thing. cause if he DOESN'T know about it, he's gonna find out eventually. and in order for that to happen, riza must be topless.

10. the tattoo has something to do with roy
very probably. it's his array.

11. she got the tattoo just for roy
very probably again! but we'll see.

12. she got the tattoo for some mystery unexplained thing
these theories are so repetitive...

13. the scars are there from when riza got hurt for roy
14. the scars are there from when riza got injured and roy burned the wounds to save her (like he did with havoc) thereby saving her.
17. roy hurt riza deliberately for some reason, hence the burn marks.
these can go together. maybe and maybe. i dunno. i don't think 17 is probable at all though

15. riza's actually an alchemist
i think we'd have noticed her using it by now.

16. riza's array is a backup for roy in case he loses his gloves
it's broken by the scars, so no.

anyway, those're my thoughts on all of these things. of course, i have no actual theories of my own, i'm thouroughly stumped! ^^

but yeah, discuss?

 
 
⇣ not all who wander → are L O S T ▶ { yukina }: The Sinnerinksmears on March 12th, 2006 01:21 am (UTC)
My personally theory is that Riza and Roy were once enemies on the battlefield. (Isn't there a scene in one flash back where Riza is aiming a gun at Roy?) If that's the case then its possible he attacked her and gave her those scars. Perhaps the tattoo was given to her so that she could take down the Flame Alchemist and the array does indeed protect her from Roy's flame. It's not exactly the same symbol on his gloves after all.

But its not a good theory because I don't have an explaination for why she would turn around and decide to pledge loyalty to him. So... I dunno.

BTW, she wouldn't have to be topless for him to notice the tattoo. Any top with a low back or collar would show at least part of the tattoo. But it would be better if he walked in on her topless.
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Emmagretchen8642 on March 12th, 2006 02:02 am (UTC)
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nintendocatnintendocat on March 12th, 2006 02:07 am (UTC)
They're brown in all the offical artwork.
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Cynthia: Drinkin' some teacsakuras on March 12th, 2006 03:04 am (UTC)
It says her eyes are brown in Hagaren DX.
nintendocat: Joygasmnintendocat on March 12th, 2006 03:05 am (UTC)
KINO! OMG we're watching that in club right now! (Sorry, off-topic)
Cynthia: Kinocsakuras on March 12th, 2006 03:06 am (UTC)
Kino teh awesome~~ :D
nintendocat: Joygasmnintendocat on March 12th, 2006 03:15 am (UTC)
Our club's joke since we started watching this is "Kino's Journey: AKA Riza Hawkeye: The forgotten years." It doesn't work what with Riza being blond and Kino a brunette, but it's still a pretty funny thought.

And yes, Kino is teh awesome.
nintendocat: Master of Disguse?nintendocat on March 12th, 2006 03:04 am (UTC)
You're welcome and go right ahead; freedom of opinion and all.
./-\.5.|-|.(./-\.|\|.rapt_ on March 12th, 2006 07:12 am (UTC)
One question...Where's this flashback you're talking about?
⇣ not all who wander → are L O S T ▶ { yukina }inksmears on March 12th, 2006 08:23 pm (UTC)
Right here: http://groups.msn.com/FullMetalAlchemist/chapter34.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4649

Looking at it one can also assume she's just keeping an eye on him but her finger is on the trigger so I can't help but think she's an enemy or something. Just a threoy, though. I doubt its even close. I've never been able to guess where Arakawa is going with the plot. XD
Catherine Lukhel on March 12th, 2006 11:29 pm (UTC)
I was under the impression that the military heads were "keeping tabs" on their alchemists, just in case they cracked under war-pressure. (Think Kimblee.) Giving alchemists philosopher's stones is a pretty big leap of faith; keeping sharpshooters on said alchemists would be a method to make sure the leash doesn't snap off.

Or, just how I interpreted that flashback. :)
⇣ not all who wander → are L O S T ▶ { yukina }: Awkwardinksmears on March 13th, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
Oooo, good point. ... So wait! Maybe Roy went crazy and attacked Riza hence the burn marks on her back... or something. o.O
Catherine Lu: FMA - eyeblindingkhel on March 13th, 2006 11:38 am (UTC)
To follow up on my theory (heh), I figured the military didn't tell the alchemists that they were being tracked, as that would undermine their loyalty and/or confidence. And that Roy assumed Riza (aka person who's very far away that's both camouflouged and pointing a gun at him) was an enemy. o_o''''



But the Roy-going-crazy idea is pretty interesting....
Emma: royaigretchen8642 on March 13th, 2006 12:08 am (UTC)
gah. that one panel's been bugging me for soooo long... i hope she tells us what the meaning behind it is soon...
_felis_heda_ on March 12th, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)
Ah yes! I one requested a colorbar with Kino, Hawkeye, and Henrietta from gunslinger girl on it. Nobody would make it for me. T_T
jiliusthefirst on March 12th, 2006 06:25 pm (UTC)
Maybe....
Maybe roy DID burn her... I mean, what if the array on her back was meant to control her like a puppet and roy burned it to save her? It would explain her loyalty to him, wouldn't it? Only pot hole there is to that theory is why Roy would have saved her.

-Jilius-