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10 March 2006 @ 08:48 pm

Chapter 57.Collapse )
euchrid eucrow: alucard_lot49_ on March 11th, 2006 07:48 am (UTC)
What fascinates me about the tattoo is the caduceus that surrounds the fire alchemy array. If we go further back into Mesopotamean symbolism, the caduceus is one of the symbols of Ishtar, the goddess of love and war - who passed through the seven gates of hell. If you're looking at the Persian version of the story, she descended to rescue her lover, Tammuz.

So, the tattoo? Could be symbolism of something that happened in the past. Could be foreshadowing. Heck, I could be completely off-base here. I'm kind of hoping I am, because I really don't want to see Riza crucified.
RW Grimmgrimm222001 on March 11th, 2006 02:44 pm (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense. It would certainly support the theory she got it for/because of him. I don't think you're off base at all really. Arakawa-sensei has shown that she has either an extreme knowledge of symbolism, or does a lot of research. Either way she puts thought into these things, and I doubt she said 'I'll make it look like this just because'

(no subject) - crack_alchemist on March 11th, 2006 04:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
koulover on March 11th, 2006 11:29 am (UTC)
Maybe she just had the urge to show Roy hers is bigger :B
I'll spare his life but only for you, sugarpantssoap_committee on March 12th, 2006 12:59 am (UTC)
Kat: mmm love by sketchyheartninja_demongirl on March 11th, 2006 01:18 pm (UTC)
I had this fear thing going in on about havok may become a humonclous or something wanting to be usefull again and regenerate the his spine with the power. Kinda like Ling did which then made me think it be to repetitive. :( i just want havok back in the story. Possible pimped out machine wheelchair with all sorts of artilery on it >)

As for riza being a pride or somethign like that i dont think gluttonny would have attacked her like he did if so. All i know or think is shes not a humonclous
Invading a personal space near youblunder_buss on March 11th, 2006 02:22 pm (UTC)
Apart from all the other arguments against the Riza = Pride theory, there's this one other thing ... isn't Pride on the cover of manga #67?

He fits the silhouette, and his arm is transmuting into a green claw. I think THAT'S Pride.
RW Grimmgrimm222001 on March 11th, 2006 02:48 pm (UTC)
(everyone else is forgetting to point out that Pride is pry a guy...and I'm fairly sire Riza isn't) XD

but #67? u sure that's right? Or did you mean somethign else?
UMEKO danced the CHANSEY Dance!umeko_pyon on March 11th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)
...That's Jack.
(no subject) - blunder_buss on March 12th, 2006 01:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Live fast, die young / / bad girls do it well: Dorky!Royhola_meg_a_cola on March 11th, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC)
I've been thinking that over and it's very, very unlikely that she isn't Pride.

Excuse from reiterating the reasons, but I'm doing this for the sake of gathering my thoughts together:

1. She has a canon family. Her grandfather is Lt. General Grumman from the East.
2. Lust had tried to kill her and Wrath had remarked her as "Mustang's pet dog" when she was kidnapping Gluttony. If she was Pride, they would have recognized her.
3. Riza and Pride's appearences are incosistant.
4. There are scars across the array. If she were any homunculus, she would have healed those without even thinking about them.

However, I've been thinking furthur, and remembered that both she and Roy are from the East. In the East was Ishval, when hamsterfactor remarked that Riza's tattoo looks like Scar's.

In chapter 44 (?), when Scar meets Mei, she recognizes Scar's tattoo as something she's seen back in Xing. Here, he remarks that his brother used to study retanjutsu. So his tattoos are clearly Xingese.

For awhile now, there have been strong rumors about Roy being part Xingese and his sisters dressing him up like a girl when he was younger. It's very possible that array is Xingese influenced.

charlie ϟ: fma [ed] gate!ed is like godly i swearlibraire on March 11th, 2006 05:35 pm (UTC)
there have been strong rumors about Roy being part Xingese

That thought had never even occured to me before. That's really, really interesting.
lord_pachi: roy_gravelord_pachi on March 11th, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm thinking not.......Riza could not be Pride. As others have said, homunculi don't scar, Riza has a legitimate grandfather, and she has also been in other places at the same time that Pride has been seen talking to other homunculi.

I'm going to agree with the notion that there is just some deep history involved with this sigil that we don't know yet, and not something evil........I thought maybe a family crest, but that's a bit TOO in-depth for a family crest. And I seriously doubt she was "branded" in charge of being the Fuhrer's new secretary, so I believe it has something to do with her constant notion of having to protect Roy. If only for the fact that among all those symbols is the same symbol Roy has on his gloves. I mean, that can't just be a coincidence........ *imagines*

*during the final homunculi battle*

Roy: "Damn, I've lost both my gloves! Hawkeye - time to unleash our secret, final attack!"
Ed, Al, and all Homunculi: "???!!"
Riza: "Right! Activate me, colonel!"
*Roy places his hands on Riza's backside - she lights up in a ball of raging fire*
Father: "........oh shit"

That would be so silly, yet so awesome. Though I know I'm far from the truth. XDDD
eurogabbyeurogabby on March 12th, 2006 02:27 am (UTC)
Riza: *rips off shirt* FLAME ON!

*is deded*
charlie ϟ: fma [roy] herolibraire on March 11th, 2006 05:23 pm (UTC)
I thought of that last night! But then I thought I might be going too far. XD Thinking back on Riza's characterisation and other details, it would be rather difficult for Arakawa to pull that off and make it work. But it did cross my mind, since we're missing some of the Sins, and I don't know why but my brain made that connection as well.
Mandymandymtt on March 11th, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC)
the beginning?
has anyone tried thinking about why riza joined the millitary to begin with?

I'll dig up this question because i havnt seen it yet, Ok.. Arakawa has yet to explain any of riza's history except her one job to do all she can to protect roy. They've already made that as clear as day. I trust arakawa to not make her evil, it would totally flip the story line. Maybe her tatoo has do do about when riza and roy first met? There has been no confirmation other wise. Its just a theory. I think if she was evil they would have already hinted at it before. Her emotions towards roy and the elrics, ect.. even winry have kinda fermented the fact that she has to be good. But this is just a thoery.

i wonder who else is like "GOD I LOVE THIS MANGA- Keeeps my head spinning in all KINDS of crazy directions."
nintendocat: Busynintendocat on March 12th, 2006 12:26 am (UTC)
I had a theory about that, though I don't know how great it is.

What if Riza's grandfather had learned something about Xerxes in the past and had shown her a design that he had seen. She might have tattoo'd her back so that she could remember it and later added Roy's symbol as her promise of loyalty.

Weird I know, but I have a weirder one about the military tattooing certain soldiers during the war so that they could use them as keys in the future.