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10 March 2006 @ 08:48 pm
 
DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!

I'm going to bring this up now for the record.

Ignoring the fact that ZOMG RIZA CAN SHOOT FIRE FROM HER SPINE BECAUSE ROY LIEK TOTALLY LURVES HER, that image on Hawkeye's back looks an awful lot like the sigils Ed saw at the ruins of Xerxes.

...the ruins that got that way because of Kool and The Gang the homunculi. So. Here comes my crazy idea.

Riza might be Pride?

Discuss. Bitchslap me. Whatever. I said it.

EDIT: Never called it an Oroborus, kids. Chill. xD
 
 
__ame__ on March 11th, 2006 05:04 am (UTC)
ZOMG! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT!!!!!!!!!!11
wow. we must be liek, long lost twins or sumthin. :o
Frustrated Undergraduate for Sexual Equalitytakoon on March 11th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC)
XD I said it first, last night!

After really thinking (and reading other theories), though, I came up with this (quoted from another comment I made):

Looking at it now, I don't think that's an oroborus. In chapter 53 (I think, whichever one it was when Ed and Ling got out of Gluttony) Ed pointed out the array on the Xerxes ruins had two dragons (male and female) intertwined. The combination stands for a hermaphrodite, or the perfect being in the world of alchemy. I'm almost certain the tattoo has to do with human transmutation.
honeywellagent_honeywell on March 11th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC)
Do you know offhand what chapter we see part of Pride in? Cause I was thinking the same thing too!
__ame__ on March 11th, 2006 05:12 am (UTC)
47 or 48, I think. Well, Pride talks to Wrath in one of those.

....

I think.
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Neko Haruko - The Kaito/Heiji lover of the Centuryminunxplusleotp on March 11th, 2006 05:09 am (UTC)
i thought the same tthing! but don't the snakes need to eat their tails to be homunculus?>
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Emmagretchen8642 on March 11th, 2006 05:32 am (UTC)
gosh, i was hoping someone else would notice that!!
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nintendocatnintendocat on March 11th, 2006 05:22 am (UTC)
Unless Riza can spilt into two people, she can't be Pride.

Chapter 39: Riza is shown fighting Lust while Pride is heard talking to Envy in the streets.

Chapter 49: Riza is helping Roy who is fighting with Gluttony in the woods when Pride is 'shown' talking to Wrath.

If she is evil, (which she better not be, grr!) she most likely won't be Pride.
Kaijuu: emopeach_jello on March 11th, 2006 05:27 am (UTC)
I thought that for a bit too... but what are the chances of Arakawa making Riza a badguy, really? Furthermore, what are the chances of her being a baddie but being so believably on Roy's side? @__@; I dunno, but holy crap I wish I did. *rolls around on the floor*

I'm seriously gonna cry like a little kid at a Disney movie if Riza's a baddie. ;__;
No One Can Stop the Cricket Pimps: flashy made by medomlandbubbles on March 11th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, the good guys really took hits in the recent chapters. Ling kinda went to the dark side (maybe he wanted cookies. I can just see Lan Fan with a big automail fist, "I gotcher cookies right here.") Roy got de-staffed and Winry got hostagized. I hope this new development is one for the good guys.
theydontloveyou on March 11th, 2006 05:27 am (UTC)
the question is, does she know it's there?
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Me: ph34rhistoryblitz on March 11th, 2006 05:30 am (UTC)
I considered that myself. I ruminated on it for a while but didn't totally reach a conclusion--except that it would suck like hell if she turned out to be Pride. *sniff*
Terterrierlee on March 11th, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
I wanna know why everyone thinks Royai is now offically canon since the flame sigil is on her back. If you look closely, you also see a cross behind the sigil AND those two snakes wearing crowns.

And all that Latin.

WHERE DOES ROYAI COME IN THIS?!
honeywellagent_honeywell on March 11th, 2006 06:09 am (UTC)
Same way Edwin and Royed and all those other pairings fit in, according to rabid fans? ;)
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[★i slipped on my slippers]: Naked!Hawkeyeceasefire on March 11th, 2006 05:59 am (UTC)
I really, really doubt that. XD
Chex: Snuggledragonalchemist on March 11th, 2006 06:05 am (UTC)
okay, I love your icon. That totally wins. *snerk!death*
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au contraire: FMA - I might be wrong__pants__ on March 11th, 2006 06:11 am (UTC)
I think it's just, like, a big chunk of history we don't yet know. I don't think it means she's Pride 'cos:

- As far as I know, homunculi don't scar. Those are scars, there.
- No ourboros. That we've seen.
- How could Roy not know about his flame thingy being on her back? And why would she get it done if he didn't? And Roy is against the homunculi, and Riza is with/for Roy.
- As discussed above, Riza is demonstrably In Other Places when Pride turns up.

History, uhuh. Ishbal has been brought up, and that this might be some explanation to why Riza is so firmly in Roy's bed camp. Maybe it could be that Roy was aided in some alchemical research by Riza. Perhaps they go back further than the military? Perhaps the Fuhrer knows some of this history and is using it to coerce her.

And, well, I've been wondering about Roy's slanty eyes for a bit, so maybe he has some Xingese/Xerxes heritage? Perhaps the alchemy he dabbles in is not purely Amestrian.
No One Can Stop the Cricket Pimps: flashy made by medomlandbubbles on March 11th, 2006 06:19 am (UTC)
Dr. Knox also made the comment about everyone who participated in Ishbal having scars. It was a segue to the part with Scar but it could also apply to Hawykeye.
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♜ endless witch ♖bolshevists on March 11th, 2006 06:12 am (UTC)
ZOMG
I nearly forgot about the new chapter this month! Thanks for reminding me ;D *aways*
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on March 11th, 2006 06:12 am (UTC)
I wonder if she's something else other than a Homunculus...assuming she is, in fact, a different being.

I'm stumped. Usually my inner theorist is buzzing but it's kinda all dead-like on it's desk. xD;
Nin: nin_tendo on March 11th, 2006 07:13 am (UTC)
Riza can't be Pride, because Pride is hundreds of years old (I can't remember exactly) and Riza has a canon grandpa. I won't repeat all the other evidence against it.

I think that its either a way to show her extreme loyalty to Roy, or she could be some sort of "secret weapon". It would fit more with her character, at least.

But, with all the Ishvar references in this chapter, I suspect that we're going to be pulled into another few flashback chapters. The tattoo might just be a plot device to make the transition a little easier. (aka, if the flashback starts with ch58, it may begin with Riza actually getting the tattoo in the first place, with its meaning revealed gradually.)
RW Grimmgrimm222001 on March 11th, 2006 02:41 pm (UTC)
When you say 'secret weapon' it makes me think she and Roy can combine to form some kind of ultra powerful fighting robot XDDD


I hope we get a flashback, I crave Ishbal flashbacks like drugs...if I did them XD
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