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08 March 2006 @ 05:53 pm
Hostage Situation: Riza Theories  
I like collecting theories and debating with others about FMA. Here's a little thing I've pulled together so far since reading Chap. 52 in the manga.

I'll put my theory under an fake cut so people who don't keep up can remain unaware. (j/k)


Since I'm such a royai fan, (please hold your anti-fandom bricks 'til the end) I like to collect and come up with completey random theories of what Wrath plans to do with Riza. (Please keep in mind that these are collected theories and most do not reflect the opinion of the writer)

A.) He's just holding her to make Roy obey him.
B.) He'll tell her that she can't have her guns with her in the office, for security purposes, then have someone attack her.
C.) He'll have someone 'have their way with her', which would really tick off Roy.
D.) He'll have someone 'have their way with her' and get her pregnant so that they have a baby to use as a sacrifice/key/other.
E.) He'll take her to Father to
1.) be turned into Lust/Gluttony(don't ask)/other Hom.
2.) be used as a human sacrifice
F.) He'll kill her in order to force Roy to perform a human transmutation.
G.) He'll threaten to kill her unless Roy opens the gate for him.

I'm going to go ahead and discourage the 'turn into Lust' theory, as most have already proved it wrong and tend to dislike it.

The rest is up for debate.

I'll stop for now. (If you're still holding your bricks feel free to throw them now.)


I'd like to hear your opinions on the subject. Any takers?

Edit: In regards to G., Wrath did tell Father that he'd get Roy to open the gate. http://www.readmanga.com/view.php?currtitle=1&chap=040&img=8
 
 
Meg: FMA: Ghosts!megkips on March 9th, 2006 12:12 am (UTC)
I feel that C and D would not be likely canidates, simply because it does not seem something that the author would write. I think A and B would be the most likely, and I'm leaning towards A.

Good theories. (I support Roy/Riza too. There's an appeal there similar to the only other couple I ship, Lucifer/Mazikeen.)
nintendocat: Feel the lovenintendocat on March 9th, 2006 12:49 am (UTC)
Yay Royai fan!

I put the brick thing on there because I once posted on another board about how Riza being so close to Bradley would make Roy angry and someone jumped down my throat for it. They were all like 'I don't believe in Roy/Riza, it wouldn't work.'

Even though I didn't mention anything about Royai in my message, I told calmly explain to the person that what I said was referring to the loyalty level between the two.
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Mehistoryblitz on March 9th, 2006 12:25 am (UTC)
Somehow, in reguards to C and D--I have faith in Hawkeye! Kick the shit out of them, Riza! You whoop some ass! ;D
nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 12:52 am (UTC)
Yes, I think so too. But they could attempt an attack (like Barry did) and then get beaten by her.

Personally, I think that'd be a funny sight to see. *ponders*

But yes, unlikely in the whole Arakawa aspect.
⇣ not all who wander → are L O S T ▶ { yukina }: The Sinnerinksmears on March 9th, 2006 12:26 am (UTC)
I seriously doubt anything of the sort (besides A) will happen. All Wrath wants is to hold her hostage to keep Roy in line. He won't do anything stupid if he knows she is in danger. (Although Riza can take care of herself and if someone tried to rape her she'd surely kick their sorry ass with or without guns. :-P) Wrath is doing the same for Winry in a way. Knowing everything about her and her location makes her a target. Thus he keeps Ed in line. So basically Riza and Winry are being used as Roy and Edward's obvious weakness. The most that will happen IMHO is that Wrath will merely keep her as his secretary until something goes down between him and Roy and/or Ed.
nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 12:53 am (UTC)
I know that Winry was used as a threat, but between Wrath knowing where Winry is and Riza being under his thumb, I worry more for the later than the former.
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Mari: Monochrome - covetkaitou_marina on March 9th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
2.) be used as a human sacrifice

This one automatically gets cancelled out, as Hawkeye is not an alchemist. "Human sacrifice" candidates are only people who could potentially open the Doors. Hawkeye could not do this.
nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 12:56 am (UTC)
I think what the person who proposed this theory meant was that Riza would be used as 'fodder' if you will for a sacrifice. Kinda like that woman they chained up to lure King Kong. (Bad analogy, sorry.)

You know, a 'virgin' sacrifice, if you will. (Not implying anything about Riza.)
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nintendocat: (private label)(Nintendocat)nintendocat on March 9th, 2006 01:07 am (UTC)
Ah, don't jump at me. Like I said, most aren't mine, though I will try to explain them a little more. Now let's see...

B.) Edward said that he couldn't believe that such an 'implausible transfer' could be ordered. Who's to say that Wrath can't order her to not have guns with her (As Furher, his safety is important afterall.)

C & D.) I don't like but I think the logic behind them is that if she was overpowered (Chap. 39 Lust) she might not be able to defend herself. Though I'm sure she'd give them one hell of a fight. (Go Riza!)

E.) I answered the logic behind this in the post above.

F.) There are some people who believe that since Hughes died, Roy has gotten a deeper sense of protection of Riza (Chap.37). Meaning that since the idea came to his head that human transmution could have brought Hughes back (chap. 16), he would actually be desparate enough to try it if Riza was killed.

I don't really buy into it, myself.

Nice Points.
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nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 01:15 am (UTC)
In Chap. 40 Wrath tells Father that he will get Roy to open the gate for them. This is where that theory has formed from.
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(no subject) - nintendocat on March 9th, 2006 02:02 am (UTC) (Expand)
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on March 9th, 2006 01:26 am (UTC)
C I could see in a serious doujin about the matter (not like fanservicy but one of those "THeories from the artist/writer" doujins. I like those)

I'm liking those theories. The one that seems to glue to me is A using her so that he can control Roy so to speak.


*is holding out for another bend-the-rules thing with how Homunculus are created and that Hughes will be brought back to cause some serious emotional distress among EVERYONE...Arakawa is good at that, which is why I'm still holding out hope 8D*
nintendocat: Joygasmnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 01:29 am (UTC)
Lol, yay Doujin.
Sailor Mac: Ed Mirror -- by sakuraksailormac on March 9th, 2006 01:28 am (UTC)
Much as I like the idea of Riza wearing the Lust outfit (and I'm sure Roy would, too . . .) um, Lust's Stone was *destroyed.* Meaning, she can't be revived.
nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 01:32 am (UTC)
That's what I said in the main part of this post. Most people think that Lust is gone for good and that even if she wasn't, Riza wouldn't be used.

There is the thought that Ed & Al don't know that Lust can't come back. Meaning that they might panic at the thought that Father might change another person close to them (Riza/Winry) into Lust. Though I'm sure Roy would point out that her stone was destroyed and ease their troubled thoughts.
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No One Can Stop the Cricket Pimps: flashy made by medomlandbubbles on March 9th, 2006 01:43 am (UTC)
H. Wrath will put Riza in a miniskirt and permanently dissolve Roy's brain.
nintendocat: Feel the lovenintendocat on March 9th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC)
Lol. At least it'd dissolve happy. Though he may get angry that Wrath was the one to do it and not him, thus pushing farther to the breaking point.

Ah, truly a noble man. XD
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-teh_jellyness on March 9th, 2006 05:57 am (UTC)
My guesses are either
Say he'll kill her to make Roy do what he says
Kill her so he has to do human transmutation
Or turn her into Lust. I HAD A DREAM ABOUT THAT YESTURDAY...it was really scary..
nintendocat: Trainnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 03:20 pm (UTC)
When you start dreaming about RizaLust, it's time to put down the manga and read a real book for awhile. (Then again, 57 is coming out tomorrow, so that might be hard.)
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The Glass Sword: Zepp WHAT?sannask on March 9th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
when the time comes, i will remember that you posted E.2 first. (used for sacrifice)

CAUSE ZOMG 57RAW KTHX O_0.
nintendocatnintendocat on March 9th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
I know, it's still iffy but now, who knows. Riza's importance to the plot may have just skyrocketed.