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02 November 2005 @ 09:16 pm
I have a question dealing with Riza Hawkeye that I’d like your personal opinions on.

While looking around on Fanfiction.net, I keep coming across fanfics that have Hawkeye becoming pregnant, usually by Roy.

My question is whether or not you think Riza would keep the baby.

Personally, I can’t see it fitting with her character. I can see her as a mother later on in her life because she is a very protective person by nature. However, because she is so protective, I can’t see her becoming pregnant and simply taking it in stride. Roy is the one she’s protecting, and I can’t see her just giving up her job because it’s his child.

I’m just going to stop here before I go off on a rant.

I would like to know what you think. Trusting that their world has abortions, do you think she would go that rout?

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ratatusk: Coloursratatusk on November 3rd, 2005 04:40 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, I definitely think that she would use birth control religiously, I was just posing it as a hypothetical.
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ratatusk: Oopsratatusk on November 3rd, 2005 04:44 am (UTC)
True, but the Elrics aren't her own children, nor are they babies who need constant attention. Given that being a mother would cause her to have to give up protecting Roy, do you think she would still keep the child?
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(no subject) - lady_isuzu on November 3rd, 2005 11:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on November 3rd, 2005 04:41 am (UTC)
I don't think she would abort. Give up for adoption sounds fairly likely to me, but not abort. She's had to kill so often during the war, I'd think she may be uncomfortable with the idea of stoping another potential life.
aibyouka7 on November 3rd, 2005 04:51 am (UTC)
I would HOPE she would abort... XD But that doesn't mean she would. Meh. ;.; She should just come out already. *snicker*
Jessica "Mali" Doubleday: Edward- icon small; sky_darkforsaken_malice on November 3rd, 2005 04:52 am (UTC)
Hm... I guess it could easily go either way... In my case I think about Black Hayate. <.< but, hm... I feels she'd be rather likely to raise it... Especially it being Roy's. gahh my words are coming out like crap... brain... like... noodles
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炎子honooko on November 3rd, 2005 05:23 am (UTC)
You might want to, in future, say "in my opinion, abortion is wrong", because not everyone will agree that it is wrong. It's just to prevent unnecessary wank, you know? ^^
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Is This Thing On?crack_alchemist on November 3rd, 2005 05:15 am (UTC)
since i'm writing a fic where riza *is* pregnant with roy's child, here is my opinion (because i thought long and hard about the plot twist before i did it). just fyi; in my fic riza *did* take birth control religiously and unfortunately it failed one very vital time.

if their world had abortion like *we* have abortion, then she probably would give it some thought. but, although riza is a very strong female character, i see that there is only one person who has an amazingly strong influence on a lot of her decisions. that is roy. she would probably give him a chance to state his opinion on the matter and let his opinion weigh heavily on her own decision.

if their world had abortion like the world of the 1900's had abortion, then i doubt she would do such a thing. abortion in that time period was just as life-threatening to the mother as the child. she would be putting herself at more risk to try to have an abortion. and if she died or was crippled in the process, what good would she be in protecting roy?

that being said, you are assuming the just because she's pregnant means her career is over. if you look at things today, there are many women in the armed forces who are pregnant and have children. and under normal circumstances, where the mother is in tip-top physical health (such as riza, a soldier, would probably be) it would take a lot to cause her to lose the child.

as a woman who has two children of her own, i know that being pregnant does not make you helpless or invalid. it does affect you physically in some instances, but it would definiately *not* take away riza's ability to point and shoot like the marksman she is. nor would it remove her abillity to think on her feet and come up with scenarios that would protect both her protect both her primary and secondary people. it will make someone like riza vulnerable in a small sense, because she probably would not participate in too much hand to hand combat, but she could still perform most of her duties in that state, even until the day she delivers if necessary. then, with possibly a six-week time break, she could be back on duty.

what i *don't* see is riza looking at pregnancy (especially with roy) as a one-way ticket to no-career land. she probably would find a way to keep the child and continue with her other goal of protecting roy until he gets where he wants to be.

now i'll go away. i hope that doesn't sound like a rant, myself. i did have to consider this when i started writing my fic, beause i am a real detail whore and things like this bother me when they are written all out of hand and out of context with the character.

Jennifer L.sincronia on November 3rd, 2005 05:54 am (UTC)
Amen. :D
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Kat: Roy - Casual clotheswildvision on November 3rd, 2005 05:18 am (UTC)
I really couldn't see Riza keeping a child under those kind of circumstances. If, later in life when things were more settled and safe, she decided she wanted a baby, then sure. But an accidental pregnancy, while both she and Roy are in the military, with Roy working towards his goal of becoming Fuhrer? Not a chance. She'd give it up at the least, though abortion seems more logical, to me.
Is This Thing On?crack_alchemist on November 3rd, 2005 05:22 am (UTC)
the political rammification of such a preganancy on roy's "goal" is a whole other kettle of worms that would definitely have to be dealt with. as i said, roy does have a very strong influence on a lot of the things she does -- he is probably the only person on the planet that does -- so she would definately take his input into consideration.

which makes the next question -- would roy want riza to keep his child?
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Is This Thing On?crack_alchemist on November 3rd, 2005 05:29 am (UTC)
why would she be out of commission for a few *months?*
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fmfangirlfmfangirl on November 3rd, 2005 05:41 am (UTC)
THEY CAN ADOPT SELIM!! Well...i mean...you know...Ok never mind. But hey. But you guys are right...so im not gonna bother talking. I dont think she'll abort. Wouldnt the military get pissed if she was found pregnant with Roys frigin baby though?! HAHAHAH! Awesome! ^_____^
sometime on November 3rd, 2005 05:42 am (UTC)
The omake with black hayate and the impression it is meant to give of riza bends me toward the stance that she would keep the child, or at least give it up for adoption. However, I believe it really depends on the situation, how far along she is in the pregnancy, what she and roy are going through on the time, etc. Either way, I believe she would go out of the experience having changed somehow.
Rappydappydappy McTappy: Anti-Mary Sueraptorix on November 3rd, 2005 06:05 am (UTC)
It's all your opinion, as is the fanfiction authors have theirs.

Maybe they just shamelessly wanted to write a fluffy fanfic where a couple got pregnant... and in FMA, there arn't that many common heterosexual couplings to offer a (non-mpreg) type pregnancy.

I mean, the top three females we got are Riza, Winry, and Izumi. Izumi is out of the question if you follow canon. Yet, she could be replaced with Shezka, but Shezka is too obessed with books to get banged by anyone and ever get pregnant. And then there's Gracia/Glacier too... but she loves her Hughes too much to go with any other man. So all you got left really is Riza and Winry. Winry is too young, unless you put the fanfic in future tense (or happen to like teen pregancies), so thus, Riza is the last one to write about getting pregant.

But, to me, Riza seems like she would never allow a pregancy to happen on accident. She seems like the type who'd religiously use birth control.

Just remember... they're fanfics! They're ideas of other fans! You don't have to believe them as canon for a single second! Go write up your own fanfics about how you think Riza would deal with a pregancy (or avoid one).
Is This Thing On?crack_alchemist on November 3rd, 2005 06:08 am (UTC)
amen, though this does make for good discssion! XD
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[★i slipped on my slippers]: Pharaeceasefire on November 3rd, 2005 06:37 am (UTC)
... I don't think abortions back then would have been terribly effient. More likely option back then would've been the good ol' coathanger in the backyard.

Personally? I think that child might as well have a target tattooed to the middle of its forehead. Seriously, Roy and Riza are already targeted in the military for various reasons and I think that any kid of theirs is going to be targeted by rebels, and within the military, and by people who oppose them... also, I actually doubt they have time to raise a child. They seem like very busy people who are fully dedicated to their work.
If Roy becomes Fuhrer, he's going to be targeted by plenty of people, and if Riza's sworn to protect him she's probably going to get caught up in it somehow, so there's a relatively good chance that this kid will end up orphaned.

So, overall I think it's not so much that they wouldn't want to; it's that they think it's for the best. I can't really see them being lax with contraception should they ever actually sleep with one another, either.
ξ( >◡❛)ξ▄︻▇▇〓〓 Tiro Finale!lunelight on November 3rd, 2005 07:09 am (UTC)
I saw this topic and I immediately started scanning the comments 'cause I knew you'd having something to say about it. XD
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Kit: FMA-Touch Royaimalinear on November 3rd, 2005 03:07 pm (UTC)
well, my opinion is that she would keep it...have you seen how motherly she can be towards the Elric boys and even Winry? (not to mention Roy) She'd totally make a kick ass mom, and being her, she'd find a way to fit it into the rest of her life.

I can totally see it (given the surprise it must be to her to get pregnant in the first place...that at least I don't think would be planned)
Aquipinion on November 3rd, 2005 04:36 pm (UTC)
I don't know if she'd keep it, and it's hard to consider the idea without imposing my own ideas onto the character.

But I'd love to understand the viewpoint that strong, self assertive women somehow wouldn't want children.