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24 July 2005 @ 11:04 pm
Looking for second opinions. [movie]  

I know most people know about it through reading summaries and spoilers, but... I didn't see any overall negative reviews. So I was curious if anyone who had seen it disliked it as much as I did. And for those just looking for reviews... I figured I'd give an differing opinion.

Personally, I absolutly hated the movie. Beyond Al (who was 110% awesome and perfect), and a couple minor characters (Roy, Hiderich, Armstrong)... it was bad. Maybe because the majority of the movie was a bunch of stuff (often dragging in WWII and the nazis) from our world that I just... didn't care about? Most of the movie didn't even feel like it was FMA.

And the animation? Why did they use playstation-style animation, and not do it like the anime? If it's an issue of time, they could have just postponed the movie longer. Especially if that would have prevented the use of computer animation.

Even the music was not even close to being up to par with the anime.

I could only have been more let down if Al hadn't been as awesome as he was.
Current Mood: disappointeddisappointed
Caveat Lectormidnightbanshee on July 24th, 2005 02:21 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched the movie, but the having seen the magazine scans and all that, I didn't have a very good impression of Noah, and neither did I like the ending, where Ed and Al end up in the other world. I suppose technically it *is* a happy ending, according to FMA standards, but unless Square Enix is planning on doing an anime sequel, then they really haven't answered many questions they left out from the anime.
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
See, I would have been happy with the ending if Ed hadn't been so... cold toward Al the whole movie. That's one of the things I hated the most. Al is hugging and nuzzling Ed, and crying over him, and... caring a whole lot... and not ONCE does Ed show he cares *in the slightest* besides when he's with Al as armor. When they actually reunite as humans... nothing really happens. Ed just acts so indifferent, especially toward Al, and I just couldn't stand it. x_x.
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billypilgrim on July 24th, 2005 02:30 pm (UTC)
I've had a problem with the series since Wrath was introduced, so the movie is just a continuation. I love the manga to death, and from the spoilers I read, I'm just taking this at face value.

It didn't seem like Fullmetal Alchemist, though. It seemed to put as much angst, and dead characters in as possible, and kill a few more. Hagaren has always been a mix of comedy, action, drama, philosphy. The movie seemed like it chose the middle too. If they're going to be in Germany, they might aswell comment a lot on the political situation, not give it a shove end by making Hughes a SS soilder.

I really disliked the ending. It didn't teach a lesson. Ed and Al's journey was to get Al's body back, yes. But it was also for them to learn to be social since their mother died. They had curled into a shell of not wanting to see they have close relationships with Winry, etc. They had maid close friendships with Roy, Winry, Armstrong, Rose, and so many others, for what? So they could run away and seperate themselves forever. Damned be their feelings. I didn't like the message at all.
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 02:43 pm (UTC)
"It didn't feel like FMA" is the best way I can describe my disappointment. The utter and complete lack of comedy also hit hard. I've had issues with the anime since shortly after they transmuted the stone, and unfortunately for me, I hate the manga even more as a whole. I'm basically stuck watching the early anime episodes and... kind of ignoring the existence of everything else.

The anime didn't have a message either. x_x. Episode 51, and again in the movie, with the human transmutation... yes, Al was a little psycho over what he unintentionally did, but.. HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING!? Dropping everything to be with Ed was... yah, not the best way to end it. First of all, given that Ed didn't act at ALL like he even cared where Al was (I mention it again because it wore on my nerves as much as anything else) and second of all, because almost everything that the movie did WRONG involved our world. Most of the stuff going on in Amestris, with all the old characters, were the few bits where I felt that happy little spark in me that loves FMA. Otherwise I just wanted it to end already, and thinking that Ed and Al are stuck in that terrible world for the rest of their lives... especially after Al had become such an awesome alchemist... what a waste. He could have stayed back and actually helped a lot of people and made his life MATTER.
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createdmemory on July 24th, 2005 02:32 pm (UTC)
Being I'm really dumb, I'm curious to what you mean by playstation-style animation. I was really looking forward to seeing good movie summaries, but I read over them and I almost wanted to kill the makers. I guess I was okay when I read it, I still look forward to seeing it, but my twin brother told me it was really gay and mostly about things in our world we already knew. And I can't believe Ed didn't return Al's affections. *ish all down* I know it's brotherly love, but I'm a big fan of yaoi.... >.>; *cries*
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 02:37 pm (UTC)
It's extremely hard to explain, unless you've played one of the games. If you saw the movie, you'd know right away, though. The art just looks awkward and jerky, although another piece is that the colors are more crisp.

Ed wasn't rejecting Al, he just wasn't returning any of the "YAY! I SEE MY BROTHER AGAIN!"ness that Al was practically spilling all over the place.
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Saya Aenslandsaya_aensland on July 24th, 2005 02:38 pm (UTC)
Why did they use playstation-style animation, and not do it like the anime?

The movie wasn't animated by BONES, who did the series. If you think this difference was bad, you should see the three first Digimon movies.

On the topic of the movie, I kinda agree. I never liked the ending of the anime, so by extension, I'm not that fond of the movie. Of course, I'll see it on principle once the DVD is ripped, but I probably won't like it like I like the manga (whoa, tongue-twister).
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC)
Ah, see, I could tell, but I hadn't known that before going in. Argh. BONES should have done it. x_x.
miki05 on July 24th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC)
I didn't like the movie either, but then again my reasons are totally different from the others. The reason why I wasn't so fond of because because of the lack of character development, Ed remains the same as he did 2 years ago, you would think that after all of those years, he would have change the way he was at least a bit. (I am not expecting a MAJOR change or anything but...) That's why I like Manga!Ed he changes, and he knows there is more things than himself and his brother out there.

Al was adorable but he was a bit too much OOC for me, the Al I would like to see is to figure out a way to bring back his brother and himself back to the alchemy world, instead of running after him and staying in a world that barely both of them know. Leaving Winry behind probably what piss me off, they don't grown. Personality wise, they don't, How can you leave your only family behind just for your own selfish needs? Wasn't anyone important at all? Roy, Riza, and everyone from the military barely got to play a role in the movie as well. To me, it was a selfish ending, those two grew in age, but not character wise....

Hughes OOC, piss me off...A nazi?! -sigh-
But that's just throwing my two cents...some might agree, others won't.
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC)
I agree except on one point. I think Ed would have stayed in Amestris if he could have, but he needed to go back to destroy the alchemy circle. So... he was sacrificing his happiness (I can't see our world as "happy", sorry --;;) for them... but it still isn't a character development, because Ed's always been willing to sacrifice things for others. So you're correct otherwise.
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amikittyamikitty on July 24th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC)
Mizukori, did you actually see the movie youself? For me, it seems that there is not enough time to cover everything in the movie. It probably work better if it was a short ova series instead of a movie. BUT that's base on the summaries. If I were you, I would hold judgement until I actually SEE the movie with my own eyes.
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 03:03 pm (UTC)
I did see it. ^^;;. It took me an extra day to do so because we had an earthquake yesterday and it stopped the Yamanote line, but I finally got to see it today.
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moinkys on July 24th, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
I havent seen the movie, only read the summaries. But from what I read, it really does sound like the movie sucks. I am not impressed by the plotline. It seems so random compared to the series which was a chain reaction of events. There does seem like a lack of character development. I mean, when I was reading this one summary that covered the whole movie I was tempted to close the link cause I got so bored. And the ending? I hear Ed/Al/Noah hitch a ride together. How random is that! That sucks as a ending. For the most part I think that way because Noah is freshly produced in the movie. I dont know. I will still watch the movie but I dont have any high hopes for it. What a bummer.
Mizukorimizukori on July 24th, 2005 03:12 pm (UTC)
Boring is a very good word to describe it. u_u.
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moinkys on July 24th, 2005 05:39 pm (UTC)
I do still plan to watch the movie so I can truely judge if I like it or not. But, it is a story. From the summaries you can still form somewhat of a opinion. I think my problem is when I read the summaries I kept thinking 'I have read fanfictions better than this'. I also have considered the summaries I have read might not cover the whole goodness of the movie. I have read many summaries (even yours) and a lot say different things. So, you are right, judge after you see the movie. I just have formed an idea before hand I suppose.
Mental Vomit: its poop again.thisisnotmyname on July 24th, 2005 03:54 pm (UTC)
i'm glad SOMEONE said something! lol i havnt seen the movie, and wont until it comes out online, but from what i've read in the summaries, i have a feeling i'm not going to like it. at all.

it really bothers me that they would just abandon their friends and family like that. especially winry, after everything she'd done for them? selfish.

and from what i've gathered (correct me if i'm wrong, i hope i am.) they destroyed the gate, right? "to prevent more fighting" yeah, bangup job you did there, ed. as if there wouldnt be any more wars if the gate no longer exsisted. *rolls eyes*

plus, wouldnt that make alchemy impossible for the other world? alchemy is powered by the gate, so really he destroyed a MAJOR aspect of that entire world's culture and science. sure they have other technology, but so much depended on alchemy.. so much of their society was developed around it... ehh. it bothers me that they'd just up and get rid of it like that.

and roy spending his days being emo over his losses? completely OOC, imo. he is a fighter, i dont see him ever giving up in trying to make his country a better place, not after everything he's been through. and why would his subordinates just let him fall to ruin like that? especially riza. ehh.

reading the manga after i watched the series left me with a pretty low opinion of it anyway, though. the manga is so much more well thought out and realistic. the anime just makes no sense to me.
jennib82 on July 24th, 2005 04:34 pm (UTC)
Thank You!
I'd just like to second absolutely everything you said. Point for point, that's exactly what I feel. ("bangup job you did there, ed!" LOL!)I haven't seen the movie yet, just read summaries, so I am willing to admit that I may turn out to be dead wrong, but I was reading the manga before I saw the anime, and so most of the anime series left me with an altogether wtf? feeling anyway. So I am also totally willing to admit that most of my dislike may come from me being a manga!snob too.

But my degree is in history, so I have studied exactly what went on during these years across the world multiple times: depression, genocide, war, famine. Most of what was happening at that time was so deplorable and sad that quite frankly, I find it depressing that such a great story set in such an interesting world ended up there.

I don't know. Made no sense to me either, I guess.
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battlejoybattlejoy on July 24th, 2005 04:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah but that's extending the premise that they are in 1920's Germany which was in the Wiemar Republic era. So no WWII.

Ed and Al would have to deal with the crumbling of Germany due to Treaty of Versailles and widespread strikes and inflation. At one point, the US itself will have to feed a big chunk of the country (because "starvation breeds Communists." I think it was Sec. of Agriculture Hoover that said that...)

Fighting the shadowy Thule Society is too vague for a long term goal. And for them to get involved in WWII they'll have to endure the 1920's (dismal in Germany, decadent in the US) and the Great Depression to trigger the rise of the 3rd Reich, who causes WWII.

I read the spoilers and hit the line "This is our war now" and said "What war? You're in post-war ruin historically."
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kiida_ne on July 24th, 2005 03:57 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen it yet so I'm going to wait on judging it. But from the summery I read, I have a feeling I'm going to like it. For the most part it sonds like it did a good job of ending the series.

The only real complaint I have about it is the ending. I'm extremly happy that the brothers are reunited, and I'm curious as to what fanfics it will produce. But I still don't like the idea of them being in out world. Before the movie came out I had visions of Ed and Al having a tearful reunion, returning to Winry's, and basically continuing living there lives happily, like when they were kids. With that plus all the fanfics and fanart backing it up it's made it hard for me to warm up to the real ending.
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Laura: FMA: Pay for Lovetavella on July 24th, 2005 05:02 pm (UTC)
I found it bizarre that they didn't give Roy an ending. He's probably the most prominent character in the anime next to the brothers; you could argue Winry instead, but Roy's much more plot-critical and has a character arc. And yet we never see what happens to him, and just have to assume he goes on to a future of Corporal Mustang?
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Lira Alicia Kraunikliralicia on July 24th, 2005 04:57 pm (UTC)
Well... thanks for saying the movie sucks, now I really want to watch it so badly. When everyone said ir was soooo perfect, it kinda disappoint me. Now I know that not everything was "everyone's taste" and I get to judge it myself.
I have a bad feeling (¿crappy animation? ¿Ed not paying atention to Al? That's not FMA), but anyway I'll check myself first.
About the anime and the manga... yes, they're sooo diferent, but I just love them both. If they were the same, reading the manga (or watching the series) would have been a bit boring. Thanks to their diferences, now I can get so excited over every new manga chapter release, even if the anime is over. It gives you two diferent worlds, two chances of story.

Thanks again to those who were honest enough to say they didn't like the movie x3
Ammes-chanakira_chan on July 24th, 2005 05:57 pm (UTC)
After reading the comments, I feel I should comment too, despite not having seen the movie, but I don't need to see the movie to address some of the concerns expressed. I'm just trying to find the right words.

Edward is cold. That's not a surprise to me. I would direct anyone who thinks he shouldn't be to the last six or seven episodes of the series. There was a great SHIFT in his character there due to what was happening. And as sad as it is, he had to become that way so he wouldn't totally go insane. At the end of the series he is very cold, harsh and realizes that what he wants doesn't matter in the world, in the long run. The problem is, he grew up, and he did it traumatically, and instantly - because he HAD to.

I was unhappy with Ed at the end of the series because he and Al weren't really on speaking terms. They disagreed, and that's partly because Ed matured overnight and Al didn't. Ed realized there were things he had to do. This mentality isn't new for him, but he stopped hesitating and it seems to me that that is what's happening here in the movie.

On the subject of Roy: He did the opposite of Edward. He sought after his own goals, altered of course. But he's a mature individual, and from what I understand, being a Corporal is punishment for what he did. I could see him accepting that, because that's the way adults are..if you're looking at FMA philosophy.

On the subject of Al: He's young, immature and sheltered - he's supposed to be. Edward didn't do all the leg work for Al to end up like him. I could see him being absolutely ecstatic over the whole reunion and Edward taking it with the air of a patient adult, indulging a younger person/sibling/child, what have you.

On the subject of abandoning their friends (they ARE their family): I'm not sure I understand what's so surprising about that. They have never sat around at Winry's watching the clouds pass by and never having ambitions to do better. As for the idea of them returning to her place and living like they did when they were children, the problem with that is that they're not children anymore. I honestly have a very hard time seeing them settling down into that kind of lifestyle, Edward especially. They will NEVER go back to when they were children and it would be foolish to wish for that.

Maybe there wasn't a great big character change in the movie, however, there was throughout the series. Two years is not a long time. Between ages 12 and 15 for Edward, he had changed very little. It was between 15 and 16 there was a huge shift in character, as progressive and subtle as it was. See if you can track it. It's not uncommon for people not to change when they're adults either. My parents for example, will probably never change, and they've been the same way for something like 17 years, maybe more.

I think I'm going to like the movie because I enjoy reading and learning about the time period. It doesn't bother me at all that it's set in our world, because you can never know everything. But like I had to recently, I suggest watching the last bit of FMA again. Things of note include: Roy's speech to Ed in the car, Dante and Ed's dizzying discussion and what Hoenheim told Ed in episode 50.
whisperitlikeit’sasecret。: Don't Forgetdusk on July 24th, 2005 06:50 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU! [exactly what i wanted to say]
As I was reading the comment about the disappointment in Ed's character development and Ed's reaction to Al... I mean, really, people. Remember the last few episodes. And, Ed's been sheltering his emotions for god-knows-how-long, Do you really think it would be an exception for Al? Even if he is his brother. There is also the possibility that Ed didn't want to get himself too excited - what if Al got taken away from him? Then he would've gotten all excited over nothing.

And as for not staying with their friends... Like Ed said in episode 17, he can't sit still. Al, maybe - but Ed could not possibly just 'settle down' like that. And besides, that would be a dumb, conventional ending - FMA is by no means 'cliche'.
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a fangirl: OTP lovetreesock on July 24th, 2005 07:29 pm (UTC)
Okay, since there's been a bit of a ruckus (thanks to me, as usual :P) over how a certain character has been portrayed in the movie, I'd like to clear this up myself.

How does the movie treat Hughes?

I'm not just talking about the 'real world' Hughes. I'm also talking about the Amestris Hughes. Have his... deeds had any impact on the characters in Amestris besides "WOE IS ME MY FRIEND IS GONE"? Or is he used as nothing more than a hand to milk the angst cow?

Of course, I'm still curious about the 'real world' Hughes, as well. Like, I heard he's apparently allied with the Nazis. Does he do this simply out of survival (ie "these people sux but hay look i can live") or does he really believe in the organization's ideals?

These questions go out to anyone who has seen the movie, not just the original poster.

Mizukorimizukori on July 25th, 2005 02:04 am (UTC)
He's actually kind of mean, but it's because of the position he's in. He is a Nazi, but again, this isn't the height of WWII or anything. At first he's pretty nasty and pissing off Ed by going after Noah, but then after Gracia (who he's crushing on throughout the movie) asks him to watch over Noah, "she's just a scared little girl"-type thing, even though he still does help to capture her, it's clear he feels like shit about it. Although, one could argue he only feels bad because he knows Gracia won't think well of it.
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