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26 May 2005 @ 10:55 pm
English teachers rock :D  
Bwehehe My english teacher has decided to start assigning Sophomores summer reading (my school didn't do that for a while I guess). She going to assign my class to read Fullmetal Alchemist ala graphic novel/manga (and some other novel)!! wahaha. She told me during class today and I just went "YES!" real loud. :D She's also thinking about assigning One Piece to, I think, the incoming freshman class. How cool. <3

A rather pointless post. <3 But if anyones going fanime this weekend at all... :D;;
spaz_sees_all on May 26th, 2005 11:01 pm (UTC)
I hate you for having a cool teacher.
Luel Exana: smileluel_exana on May 26th, 2005 11:24 pm (UTC)
Your teacher sounds like she should have a shrine built to her. XD
The readings we got in school were never as cool as that.
*reminisce__ on May 26th, 2005 11:49 pm (UTC)
That's a cool teacher, and I'm heading to Fanime XD
Rhelrabidtanukichan on May 26th, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC)
I'm crying in jealously right now!! I must go to your school.
Chibi Halochibihalo on May 27th, 2005 01:37 am (UTC)
There's so much in FMA that an English teacher could use for an English class. It's not just a great graphic novel to read. That's what so great about FMA it has all sorts of deep meaning and conflict to it. Your teacher hit upon something she knew the students would be willing to read that would make for a fun discussion.
Justine Ysabel Perezjoruri on May 27th, 2005 07:22 am (UTC)
Yeah, I told her all that. Glad to know she listened. XD

But I live in a place where a few individuals don't "read backwards" and my teacher is worried about things like cliques and things. @_@;;
Chibi Halochibihalo on May 27th, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)
A reasonable concern but I don't think that would happen.
Damn preciousx_imnotyourstar on May 27th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
you officially have the coolest english teacher ever!
Part-time Misanthrope: All I want by undeadmikocoldwriter on May 27th, 2005 08:44 am (UTC)
Dammit, why didn't I get an English teacher like yours when I used to be in school? ;_; You lucky, lucky person. All I got to read was...was Great Expectations! (No offense to Dickens fans but I personally don't like his work.)

corinn on May 27th, 2005 09:06 am (UTC)
Great Expectations sucks.

Hard Times, however, owns my soul.
iwishiwereanimeiwishiwereanime on May 27th, 2005 08:57 am (UTC)
I think that's really awesome (if i become a teacher i'll be really tempted to do that) but I honetly think your teacher's a little... not smart.. or lazy.. to do something like that. And I'm surprised your principal and fellow english teachers of your school would agree to that. *dodges angry fangirls* Not saying that FMA -doesn't- have a lot of great things to analyze, but since it's not a merited literary work (heck, it's not even literature) it's actually a big waste of your time..
corinn on May 27th, 2005 09:24 am (UTC)
I had a teacher for AP English Lit who taught us postmodernism by showing us The X-Files and Twin Peaks and Apocalypse Now when we were reading Frankenstein and Heart of Darkness-- and we then had to write essays comparing the pop culture works to the postmodernist canon. And she said that if she wasn't retiring within two years, she would have lobbied to make Harry Potter books required summer reading for Honors English classes, because of the sheer symbolic structure and adherence to the monomyth pattern. Another of my Honors English teachers taught us about the affects of ancient mythology on modern pop culture by giving us a lecture on comic books and dressing up as Wonder Woman because WW has the Amazon's Hippolytan Girdle, and taught us about the monomyth by assigning us to watch the original Star Wars trilogy and writing down how it fit the pattern. (Star Wars is STRONGLY based upon the monomyth-- almost disturbingly so.)

You'd be surprised how much you can learn about the conventions of literature from popular media such as television and movies. And, yes, graphic novels. After all, they all had to be scripted in the first place.

Besides, FMA fits the monomyth pattern put forth by Joseph Campbell PERFECTLY. I could write so many essays on the literary conventions of the FMA manga and anime alone that it would take YEARS.

...Which is probably WHY it's taking SO LONG for me to do my research paper on alchemy as related to world religions.

As someone who earned national recognition (from the NCTE) for her essay composition in 2001 because of the coaching of those two very unconventional teachers, I'd say something like Fullmetal Alchemist has a valid place in the literature classroom. Really, I'm surprised manga hasn't been picked up by teachers sooner. I'd expect Battle Angel Alita and PetShop of Horrors and Doll to be especially popular with postmodernist curricula; Oh My Goddess! is wonderful for the modern integration and adaptation of diverse mythological canon.

...I'll shut up now, lest I end up writing an essay HERE. XD
purplemewitpurplemewit on May 27th, 2005 09:35 am (UTC)

rock on manga! you're legitimate literary works! ... wonder if Fake applies

Actually, I've been in discussions about what manga would be apropriate for what age level and one title that comes up alot is Hikaru no Go.

but yeah, if you're going to force kids to read something, it might as well be something that they're going to enjoy.
corinn on May 27th, 2005 09:59 am (UTC)
For others' reference for WTF I'm talking about: Here's a SUPER-DUPER SIMPLIFIED version of the monomyth pattern, also known as the mythic hero pattern. It really has... ah... I know of AT LEAST thirty steps. But I can't find that list. I do, however, have the basic list I was taught in high school. So I'll put little comments on how FMA fits it. Someday I'll do an essay on this...


1. The hero is almost always a male of obscure or mysterious origins, of royal birth, intelligent and courageous.
Ed has mysterious origins because of his father and his disappearance; he is obviously intelligent and courageous.

2. At an early age he is forced to leave his country of birth to escape death, though not necessarily a physical death.
After his mother's death, Ed 'escapes' from the area to train in alchemy. Later, after his failed human transmutation, he leaves his home because of the spiritual death that happened to him-- his childhood is really, finally killed in his eyes, and he is forced to grow up and take up the mantle of responsible adult at the age of twelve.

3. Often raised and/or guided through youth by older, wiser person who teaches him needed lessons or gives special instuctions/information.
Both Izumi and Roy fit this description of the mentor.

4. As a young man he goes on a journey looking for something of great value.
Ed is looking for the Philosophers' Stone.

5. Often is accompanied by guide/companions, and/or given supernatural aide in finding a way to the object of his quest.
His traveling companion is his brother, Alphonse; you could technically say the Homunculi give him supernatural aide on his journey because it is they who prod him in the right direction half the time.

6. While on a journey he overcomes a mythic beast or a force far stronger than himself.
This happens repeatedly-- the chimera in Lior, the Fifth Laboratory, the various homunculi, Dante, etc.

7. While on a journey he will descend into death or darkness but will reemerge alive but in an altered state of awareness. This is the ultimate test of heroism.
Ed goes through the Gate, dies, comes back, and goes through the Gate again. He has an altered state of awareness in that he knows The Truth about alchemy and its origins.

8. Either on the journey or right after it, he has an affair or marries.
Yet to happen in FMA....

9. The hero gains his goal and returns to his homeland to take his rightful place. He usually kills or drives offan evil ruler.
Yet to happen in FMA....

I really have to track down my more detailed list of steps in the pattern. I know it's 30 to 50 steps long, minimum. Le sigh.

Anyway, see how you can analyze FMA (and Star Wars, if you look at it) using this pattern? You can often do this for multiple characters in one story, too. In FMA alone it fits for Ed, Al, Roy, anime!Scar, anime!Lust.... it's nearly endless.
Keito desu. <3shoyesainomiko on May 27th, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC)
Stick the Campbell archetypes and a few Aborigines in there, and that's my school's "special" class in a nutshell XD
iwishiwereanimeiwishiwereanime on May 29th, 2005 11:04 am (UTC)
Wow, I feel attacked here ^_^;. But I knew someone would respond to what I said and I'm glad it's not some goober. I understand you're probably more schooled than I am, but I also took Honors English classes and the AP course and I'm starting college in the fall. So please don't look down on me.

I just think comic books just don't belong in highschool classes. It's dangerous. Kids need to read, not look at pictures. It's fundamental that they read these works that most of these replies talk about throwing aside. Odyssey, Frankenstein, Great Expectations, Heart of Darkness, 1984, Oedipus Rex, and I can go on and on. You talk about comparing works but how can they do this when a 9th, 10th, 11th grade English teacher neglects them? To let their students read FMA or One Piece or whatever? So many great books exist with the exact basic outline of FMA that teenagers groan about and trudge through reading just because of that simple fact: they have to read. It's annoying. And if these kids happen to find themselves in an AP test where they have 40 minutes to write an analysis about the literary differences between two works of their choice, do you think they'll get any credit by comparing FMA to The Hobbit? No, they're not. Graphic novels are not credited literary works.

But not to sound like I'm totally against the idea, I do think it's an excellent idea for college courses and I've heard of many who do assign graphic novels and watch movies and write comparison papers. Absolutely excellent idea and you prove a great point with the monomyth pattern. However, I don't know what region you attended school or what kind of school you attended, but most schools don't have the talent, the funding, the ability to squeeze that into the core curriculum of English classes.
ღ a b b yalistaere on May 27th, 2005 09:58 am (UTC)
Holy SHIT that's cool. My summer reading list for school includes China Boy and A Separate Peace and a couple short stories. Hurrah.
f: @#$!ivan on May 27th, 2005 10:17 am (UTC)
Holy crap.

I hate you.

You're reading FMA for summer reading.

I get to read The Odyssey >_>

corinn on May 27th, 2005 10:28 am (UTC)
Odyssey has some elements in common with FMA... in a very vague sense... >.>;;;;
Samsamaside on May 27th, 2005 10:54 am (UTC)
I LOVE your icon XD
hoshige on May 27th, 2005 11:18 am (UTC)
WOW... cool assignment!!
I never had assignment as cool as that >.<
Terterrierlee on May 27th, 2005 11:22 am (UTC)
My English teacher(Which I no longer have w00t!), took my friend's Fruits Basket manga form me and was all, "A family with a curse... and some girl ...o_O;;" And yeah >> NO wait I'd let her look at Eerie Queerie, or Mars o_o;;

*wishes her ninth grade English teacher could of made us read FMA* T_T
hehehefunnyhehehefunny on May 27th, 2005 02:08 pm (UTC)
OMG I HATE YOU!!!!! THAT IS SOO COOL!! I HAVE A NOT COOL ENGLISH TEACHER WHO GIVES UNCOOL ASSIGNMENTS........ OMG! ahhhh ur sooo luckey!!!!! but then again im sorta glad... cause if u think about it... only me and these 2 other boys watch/read FmA in my school (and this kid whos really annoying and trying to touch my FmA shrine on my backpack) and im just not ready to compete for edward with other people in my school yet... *punches punching bag*
.: Vash-OMGevil_rem on May 27th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
...you are the luckiest person alive.
Tessnefariouskitten on May 27th, 2005 03:11 pm (UTC)
Well, we don't have summer reading anymore, but still, it'd be really cool if my school required manga. I wanted to do Death Note for independent reading, but I didn't think my teacher'd let me 'cause it's a comic ^^
obaa_chanobaa_chan on May 27th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC)
Your class gets to read FMA and I get to read Grapes of Wrath.
*fumes and throws things*

[on a side note,though,that is fairly awesome. Tell that teacher that they kick ass.]
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Kasumiedw4rd_elric on May 27th, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
o__o I wish I was in your class! What school do you go to??!

Well, I'm going to Fanime. See you there? I'mma Edo cosplayer with a crappy wig. :D