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04 May 2005 @ 12:17 pm
Ed and religion  
Hmm...I don't know if this has been beaten to death already. If so, just tell me and I'll go look for the thread (or something). But I was wondering something. In the manga-viewer online (i forget the name of the site), Ed says he's an atheist. But in the English translation of the manga being sold, he says he's agnostic. Now, there is a difference between the two. Does anybody happen to know for sure what he says in the original Japanese manga?
 
 
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Reinaceles_grant on May 4th, 2005 10:31 am (UTC)
ag·nos·tic
1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

a·the·ist
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Well.... now there's a good question XD this is the dictionary.com definition of Agnostic. I think it could work for Ed, but then again...
I personally think that whenever Ed mentions God, in a sense, it's either for the "idea" or rather, out of habit. For example, I'm Agnostic myself, but... Sometimes when I talk I say things like "Oh my God!" or you know, the like. It might just because of cultural norms being instilled. and then again, perhaps we're all reading into this a bit too much xD... hehe...

Marikaitou_marina on May 4th, 2005 10:43 am (UTC)
He says: "Shuukyou kyoumi nai shi" which means "I have no interest in religion," so that really could be translated either way. But the most accurate translation would have literally been "I have no interest in religion."
Esprit Libre Fanficbrocas_aphasia on May 4th, 2005 11:58 am (UTC)
Okay. Would this be when he's talking to the bartender or to Roze in the church?
Marikaitou_marina on May 4th, 2005 04:43 pm (UTC)
Bartender.
_cherrywolf_ on May 4th, 2005 11:15 am (UTC)
I agree with kaitou_marina.

Ed isn't interested in religion. While, I am agnostic. But if Ed were into religion, I think he would be an atheist... but that is just my opinion.
Kao-chankao_sama on May 4th, 2005 11:16 am (UTC)
glad to read this... it pissed me off when I read that because it doesn't mean the same thing at all, and I prefer to believe that Ed is an atheist, but "I have no interest in religion" is just fine (I will answer that next time someone ask me what I believe -_-;)
Chibi Halo: Sempaichibihalo on May 4th, 2005 11:19 am (UTC)
Going by the definitions and what Kaitou said Agnostic would be about the closest thing to use for Ed by the good folks at Viz. The second definiton of agnostic says it's someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something. In this case the something is religion. An atheiest would show an interest in committing to believing there's no God or other gods. An agnostic wouldn't touch the subject of religion with a ten foot pole because religion just doesn't intrest them or they can't commit to it. Ed believes more in Alchemy because he has physical proof that it does what people say it will do. And when you spend most of your life learning how to do alchemy then your interest in and time to commit to a religion flies out the window. At least that's how I see it.
Kimnefadol on May 4th, 2005 01:12 pm (UTC)
Offtopic...

Chibihalo! I haven't seen you in ages, it's Nef from Rumic. ^_^

Anyway, I think agnostic is a better description of Ed than atheist (being agnostic myself I can see why). Although it would have sounded better if they had left it as a literal translation, and then we wouldn't be debating this. I say it's better as agnostic than atheist based on what happens later on in the series, but I won't say due to spoilers. :)
desudeitydes_akazim on May 4th, 2005 12:39 pm (UTC)
Agnostic is accepted today to also mean "believes in a higher power, but not sure what". My dad's an agnostic, mom's an atheist. REALLY big difference. @_@
chrononuriko on May 4th, 2005 01:50 pm (UTC)
That's not agonisticism, that's spirituality.

Agonosticism just means doesn't believe in or disbelieve any higher power.

Spiritualism means belief in some sort of mystical force/higher power, but either a personal one (as in, has their own individual religion that isn't really followed by anyone else) or a vague undefined one...'not sure what' as you put it.

Atheist means all out disbelief in a higher power.
nikui_kuyami on May 4th, 2005 06:58 pm (UTC)
But is an 'agnostic' different from a 'deist'?

I looked both these words up in the dictionary, and it just makes me more confused. I can't tell which of the two describe what I am, because they both seem to. It's definatly not 'atheist'.

Anyway, it would've just worked out if they translated Ed to say "I'm not interested in religion" and then would leave the rest to interpretation. X.x;;
defense and defenestration: fma - cold rainbobrhyn on May 4th, 2005 04:30 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I'm agnostic, but... I'm not sure. I suppose I tend towards him being more agnostic, but maybe more so at the end of the series than the beginning. During his youngers years and some of the series, I think he'd have been more pointedly atheist (or at least maybe during his angst fests, anyway).
niflheim_garden on May 4th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with you. It wouldn't have as much impact otherwise o_O
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on May 4th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)
*points* You! :O
(Tis shinraisei from DA) *hugs* :D

*thinks of something on-topic*
Stephanie Pozos.takokinoko on May 5th, 2005 07:14 am (UTC)
I believe he's an agnostic owo since he believes in "the truth", "the gate" and such even though he tries not to think on how they're there. I know the gate's not God xD (...or is it? oO Arakawa should know) but it is somehow a strange force/something beyond his understanding.

Also, by the phrase "I'm not intereseted in religion" he's not stating that there's no God, he just says that he prefers not to think about it, he finds no interest on it (That will be more like an agnostic position)

Well... that's how I see him xD at least <3