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23 April 2005 @ 02:09 pm
Okay this just occurred to me...  

So I was thinking about Dante, and how she goes around getting alchemists to create the philosopher's stone so she can hop bodies again.

She got Hohenheim to make what was allegedly the first stone.

What guarantee do we have that that was the first stone and that Dante wasn't just manipulating Hohenheim as she manipulated a long string of others, and accidentaly fell in love? How old could Dante be? She's a good alchemist, maybe she created the first one a long, long time ago and switched bodies before near-imminent death, thus creating the need for more of the stones. O_o

Of course, that also brings into question whether Dante was originally female... I mean, a body is just a casing for the mind.

I've now officially weirded myself out thinking about male!Dante. O_o

maboroshi_hime on April 23rd, 2005 01:34 pm (UTC)

Nah, she's a girl. Can't mess with fma!Yuri xD
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
Winry/Sheska OTP! :D (also toss Paninya in there somewhere.... Winry/Paninya/Sheska. XD)
Feria: [SH2] Sakiwithout_reason on April 23rd, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC)
fma!Yuri reminded me of Yuri/Yuri yuri. XD Talk about gender bender.
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 01:55 pm (UTC)
You could have a crossover. F!Yuri/Winry/Sheska/Paninya yuri.

I think I just broke my own brain. >_@ Although a SH:C/FMA crossover could be interesting. I mean, it's the same time period and all...
Feria: [Hagaren] 'Splodey Alwithout_reason on April 23rd, 2005 02:03 pm (UTC)

I'm currently working on a SH:C/FMA crossover in 4-panel comic form actually. ^_^ Roger is an Alchemist, after all.
ღ a b b yalistaere on April 23rd, 2005 02:04 pm (UTC)
Haha, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. XDDD *Shot*
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 02:13 pm (UTC)
Shadow Hearts: Covenant, and its relation to FMA. XD

It's a game set at about the same time as FMA (1915), and is kind of like world history with demons, magic and a lot of weird things involved.
ღ a b b yalistaere on April 23rd, 2005 02:33 pm (UTC)
Ah... I see. I was all like, "Paninya? O_O?"
chrononuriko on April 23rd, 2005 03:52 pm (UTC)
Actually, Paninya is a FMA character, not a Shadow Hearts one :P

Yuri and Roger are the Shadow Hearts references, I assume.

Paninya is that one agile girl from Rush Valley with the automail legs. She's pretty forgettable considering how she was only in one 'filler' episode in the anime...but she's somewhat more prominent in the manga. That's the only way I remember who she is XD
ღ a b b yalistaere on April 23rd, 2005 07:46 pm (UTC)
There you go. Shows how much I remember. >.> I could've sworn her name was something else, because I know her from reading the manga. It's been a couple months, though... *DED*
chrononuriko on April 23rd, 2005 08:43 pm (UTC)
Well, she's called Bunny at first in a certain group's translation...so that might be why.
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 02:09 pm (UTC)
XD It works, too. There are so many crossing points. Joachim could be a long-lost Armstrong family member. Ed could cross the gate and end up lost somewhere in Yuri's head! (He does have the gate of hell's commandments in there)

The Glass Swordsannask on April 23rd, 2005 02:33 pm (UTC)
that's a good point.... and we see that she deteriorates hella faster than Hohopapa... I mean, he's been in that body at least as long as Ed's been alive... granted, Dante was in the body that Izumi recognized for a good while, but if the translation into Lyla was hurried enough to make the Lyla-body disintigrate that fast, it's gotta make you think that the Dante-soul was headed for her (his?) last legs...

Whatever Dante was to begin with, it's entirely possible that she has shed any real attachment for gender she may have once had...

hmmm... that's a really good point ^_^ maybe only Arakawa knows for sure... and maybe not even Arakawa knows : pppp
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 02:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, she disintegrated way faster than Hoho-papa. Not only did she quickly rot in Lyla's body, she had Rose lined up for a transfer not too far in the future.

Dante probably is female- both she and Hohenheim seem to have stuck to their own gender when bodyswitching. But some of the stuff she does makes me wonder. Like the weird thing where she licks her own arm (while Lyla) and says something about liking the body, or how she always presses up really close to crazy!Rose. But then again, it's the all-powerful FMA yuri! XD

I guess nobody knows. Dante's not even in the manga, so it shall remain a mystery...
chrononuriko on April 23rd, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
Arakawa definitely doesn't know, considering how her version of FMA entirely lacks Dante in the first place =P

Dante is a male name, though, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was originally a male...though granted the name thing was probably only for the sake of pairing her up with Hohenheim while making references to The Divine Comedy since the sins were already in the story (one could call it 'sinbolism'...>_>)...

The rate of deterioration seemed kind of inconsistent to me. The old lady Dante body seemed to have been around for a long time since she did teach Izumi and all (Unless of course the original owner of that body taught Izumi, and then later Dante transferred in and still conversed with Izumi and pretended to be the same person...but considering flashbacks and such I doubt that.)...yet Lyra hardly lasted at all.

Maybe it's cuz Dante didn't have a fresh large philosopher's stone when she did the transfer into Lyra..so the soul didn't bind with the body as well as it usually would've.

Eh, we can spew out theories forever, but unless the movie talks about it or the anime writers answers our questions, we'll never know.
Rappydappydappy McTappyraptorix on April 23rd, 2005 04:07 pm (UTC)
Well, in the manga, Hohopapa must have been using his body for much longer, because there are photographs/flashbacks of Hohopapa (looking the same as he is in the current timeline of the anime) hanging with a much younger, 20-30-something Pinnako Rockbell... and in the manga, they state that the two were drinking buddies.

*Plus* there are rumors from the movie that Hohopapa makes Edward a makeshift automail (cuz on that side there is none... except for crappy barely moving fake limbs)... which means Hohopapa must've learned *something* from hanging with Pinnako...
chrononuriko on April 23rd, 2005 04:34 pm (UTC)
In the manga Hohopapa doesn't even switch bodies, as far as we know thus far.

It just seems inferred that he doesn't age. He's immortal or something for some reason. Lots of people tend to believe that he's actually Pride, but I have my doubts...(mostly the fact that the homunculi would've had no reason to call him Pride on that one occassion when they already call him 'Father'...unless 'Father' and Hohenheim are indeed different people, ahh!)
Rappydappydappy McTappyraptorix on April 23rd, 2005 06:18 pm (UTC)
Well see, I'm interperting FMA by combining the manga and the anime to fill in each other's plot holes XD
腹蛇: Hehe here I am.youkofujima on April 23rd, 2005 07:56 pm (UTC)
Just to also kinda jump in with something from the anime (which probably is very far from the manga, as far as I have seen): HohoPapa probably had that body of his for at least 400 years. Why? Cuz he managed to spawn his clone (read: Envy's original form=fandom name:Hoju). Dante said that child was her first child with HohoPapa from four hundred years ago, so HohoPapa in the anime kept the body for at least that long (and Maria Ross said that he knows things that only people from more than a hundred years ago should know).

With that in mind, when HohoPapa met up with Dante again and said that he was married, she said "So was I. I have had many, many, MANY husbands," which just kinda implies that she has been doing a fair share of body hopping within the past four hundred years. To me, that kinda supports the idea that her body probably disintergrates much, MUCH faster than HohoPapa's.
amaikoamaiko on April 23rd, 2005 11:29 pm (UTC)
With that in mind, when HohoPapa met up with Dante again and said that he was married, she said "So was I. I have had many, many, MANY husbands," which just kinda implies that she has been doing a fair share of body hopping within the past four hundred years.

One of whom was apparently Greed, poor thing. What a pity there wasn't anyone around at the time to tell him "DO NOT SHACK UP WITH THIS CRAZY BITCH, DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS."

To me, that kinda supports the idea that her body probably disintergrates much, MUCH faster than HohoPapa's.

My own theory on this (which I actually just came up with as I was in the shower): the reason Dante's bodies have been deteriorating at a much faster rates than Hohenheim's is basically because she's evil and he's (pretty much) not. Corruption of the soul=corruption of the body, and Dante's soul is probably so eroded from centuries of evil that it's simply not capable of supporting a viable body anymore.

It would explain how Lyra's body went bad on her so quickly, and why she was keeping Rose nearby as a backup--she may have been able to sustain the old woman's existence for so long because the body wasn't anywhere near as "fresh" as a strong and healthy young body was, but once she hopped into Lyra, her soul just wasn't up to the much greater task of holding a young body together.
Izuro Mustangizuro on April 23rd, 2005 03:33 pm (UTC)
Male!Dante XDDDDDDD *DIES* ... OMG... She was Dante from Devil May Cry! :O

((Or NOT. XD))
darkazriel on April 23rd, 2005 04:14 pm (UTC)
*dies laughing* XD XD XD
I watched the stars crash in the sea.tsukitaichou on April 24th, 2005 05:05 am (UTC)
There's been talk of male!Dante before - relating her to this world's Dante Aligheri, who wrote the Divine Comedy.
I wouldn't put it past her - who the fuck names their GIRL BABY Dante, anyway?

I bet it WASN'T the first stone and she really did just trick him.
That puts her, btw, at 200 years older than Hohenheim, if we're relating him to this world's Paracelsus. ^^;
BlizzardWolfwolfofnoreturn on April 24th, 2005 02:40 pm (UTC)
*Cracks up at izuro's comment* x3 That's great. Umm. I can't imagine a male Dante. o_o; But you DO have some good points. Dude... that'll keep me thinking for a while. :3 *Forgot what else she was going to say* ...Auu...
Briana_free_spirit_ on April 25th, 2005 01:45 am (UTC)
Bwa! This is just what I was thinking! Plus the fact that Dante knew how to attach Hoho-papa's soul to that one guys body after he made the stone and almost died... maybe she knew how from personal experience? XD
Plus the fact that she let him make the stone- did she know the effect making it would have and didn't want to risk her own life?
Ho-hum, so many theories running rampant in my head...