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20 February 2005 @ 12:11 am
So, watching the latest episode...  
Now, having seen the series already, this is something that's been bugging me for a while, but seeing the scene in episode 15 again brought it to mind.

Why on earth does Hawkeye miss when she's shooting at Scar?? She's an expert marksman, this was already made clear with the Black Hayate incident in episode 13, firing that many shots how could she *not* manage to hit him?

The only plausible theory I can think of is that for some reason she wasn't intending on shooting him, just forcing him to back off. But considering that she ordered the soldiers to shoot moments later when he was escaping, this still doesn't make all that much sense. Especially since Hawkeye could easily have just shot Scar in the leg or something to prevent him from escaping. And she really doesn't strike me as being at all nervous or anything in that scene that would throw off her aim that much...

Really, can anyone else explain this? It just makes no sense... o_O
DigiFaithdigifaith on February 19th, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I really can't come up with anything better than that. Scar can't die yet, so Riza can't shoot him. You're right, it doesn't make sense, but such is the infamous plot device.
silenka on February 19th, 2005 10:43 pm (UTC)
It WAS raining pretty hard. Maybe the rain or wind contributed to her missing. Not to mention her quick aiming because she had to kick stupid Taisa out of the way.
Tasha: Still the prettiest. - by nalavashitasha_mac on February 19th, 2005 10:48 pm (UTC)
That's actually what I was thinking. She was busy sliding around and couldn't aim properly. (Stupid Taisa.)
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nikui_kuyami on February 19th, 2005 10:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, when I saw that in the manga, I was wondering why she missed, because she seemed so good at shooting...

Darn, I would have gone with the whole not trying to shoot him just to buy time, but then telling them to shoot, messes it up.
Marikaitou_marina on February 19th, 2005 10:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, that scene is even WORSE in the manga because he's RIGHT THERE and she doesn't hit him. At least in the anime he displays mad monkey climbing skills that MIGHT account for people missing XD
summerwolf on February 19th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
The best answer I can think of.....well, Scar's FAST, she said so herself (whereas Hayate isn't) and he's got a real fighter's reflexes.

Of course, she shot a similiarly fast-moving target in Ch. 37, VERY accurately, but one might attribute some of that to the sniper rifle...
ACacdragonmaster on February 19th, 2005 11:00 pm (UTC)
Yes... but he's wide open. And she was shooting fast. Unless by "fast" we're talking Matrix-level fast.... >_>
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Ada: fma - smirky ed // gniconsadalove on February 19th, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC)
Perhaps she's mentally holding herself back, because she never really wants to kill anyone *shrug*
ACacdragonmaster on February 19th, 2005 11:22 pm (UTC)
Ah, but what about the option of just shooting him in the leg or the arm? She's a good enough shot that that shouldn't be hard, and it'd only temporarily disable Scar, not kill him...
Shark Baitgrifstar on February 20th, 2005 12:01 am (UTC)
yanno, I've never thought about that O.o..
Melodyenjolras on February 20th, 2005 10:00 am (UTC)
Lol. I never have either. But now that the topic has been brought up, it does sound a little odd, I suppose. >.>
silenka on February 20th, 2005 12:27 am (UTC)
Okay, watching that scene again, she fired MORE than enough shots with TWO guns to possibly miss him, rain or no rain.

Wow. You suck, Riza. XD
ユイ アマヤ 「Yui Amaya」heero on February 20th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC)
Roy: WTF??
Hawkeye: You're worthless in the rain, sir!
Roy: ........well, at least I have an EXCUSE. You're an expert with guns and you couldn't even hit him with HALF A DOZEN BULLETS?!
Hawkeye: ...*BANG.*
Roy: ..meep.

I lurk again now thxbye.

(And it's been forever since I've seen this ep, so I can't remember exactly what Riza says, or how many times she fired, but. 9_9 It's what I thought of. Harr harr.)
Shindou-Chanshindou___chan on February 20th, 2005 07:27 am (UTC)
*highly amused* xD
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Kaseomakase_shimasu on February 20th, 2005 04:02 am (UTC)
...Scar ownz everybody, totally unbeatable. Simple fact. >_> *cough*
Number One Spoonherongale on February 20th, 2005 05:41 am (UTC)
Right after that Scar literally FLIES up the wall. I'm not really sure why anyone is looking for reality-based interpretations out of that scene. Scar is FAST, he DEFIES GRAVITY, and has the incomplete-but-more-potent-then-anyone-else's PHILOSOPHER'S STONE. That just makes Riza a tool for even THINKING she can hit him.

(FYI: I love Riza)
ashchan on February 20th, 2005 07:43 am (UTC)
It's an anime. It doesn't have to work with reality. (Look at the Philosopher's Stone and such, for example).

As said before, it's just a plot device. :( But if you're looking for a more reality based answer, the best I can give you is that: Even the BEST of the best miss sometimes. Weather conditions actually do make a huge difference.

:: shrugs :: Besides, why didn't someone just open up an umbrella for Mustang or something while he put on a new, dry glove since the explanation behind it is that if the glove is wet he can't do anything? Shouldn't Armstrong be injured even deeper than he was, possibly dead, from so much rubble on top of him? This episode was just meant to explain the Ishbarian War, in anycase and that's what they did.
mikkeneko on February 20th, 2005 11:31 pm (UTC)
*squints* Is that Chise from SaiKano in your icon?
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desudeitydes_akazim on February 20th, 2005 10:21 am (UTC)
Scar power. D:
I can unscrew the starssugarcane_moon on February 20th, 2005 10:25 am (UTC)
Stress? When she shot at Black Hayate she wasn't in danger of anything more than a piddled-on carpet. When she shot at Scar she trying to save the life of her commanding officer.
ACacdragonmaster on February 20th, 2005 11:25 am (UTC)
Unlike state alchemists like Roy, Hawkeye is actually a *real* soldier. It's safe to assume that she's been trained to be able to respond in situations like that, and if she weren't able to handle that of level stress I don't think she'd ever had made officer... (the Amestris army may be corrupt, but I highly doubt it's *that* corrupt.... >_>)
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cmshaw: Evil Handcmshaw on February 20th, 2005 11:05 am (UTC)
it's possible that scar was using -- perhaps without conscious intent -- alchemy to avoid the bullets (dissolving them in the air, the way dante did with ed's spear, or pushing them aside by diverting the wind?).

at any rate, hawkeye would probably not have been firing to disable scar. she's a soldier; unless she's set up with a sniper rifle and a tripod and orders to hit a very specific part of the target, wouldn't it be utter rookie arrogance for her to aim at anything other than the largest section of her target in a situation where lives were at risk?
ACacdragonmaster on February 20th, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)
That's exactly why her missing makes no sense. She's a crack shot, she was in a good position to be firing from, she fired at least a good half-dozen shots in rapid succession. It's very odd that *none* of those hit.
angsty lemon uke: [truth]wabisuke on February 20th, 2005 01:08 pm (UTC)
plot device.

Seriously, the puzzle of how Winry fell off of a small stool/table in episode 8 (when there was no such piece of furniture nearby for her to get on) plagues my mind much more.