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19 January 2005 @ 12:03 pm
Contrasts in Anime and Manga  
I saw the end of the FMA anime after I read the manga up to chapter 43, and was struck by how many differences there are in what they've shown and done in the manga and what they do in the anime. This isn't all the differences--this is just some rough character analysis on anime/manga Mustang and Envy. I use the word Rough--this is not an exact science! But it's been bothering me, so I thought I'd talk about it.

Roy Mustang
Roy was just...sneakier in the manga too. He never exactly broke the rules, but he was a lot sneakier, more devious--just all around COOLER, and he really cared about his team (examples with Havoc and Hughes especially). In the anime (the slightly fansubbed version I saw) he's described as only caring about reaching the top--ONLY that. The only scene I can think of that argues against it is when he assigns the lieutenant group the job of finding Havoc a girl friend, because Havoc was too distracted without one.

Anime version also doesn't seem as affected by Hughes' death as the manga version--long after the murder, the manga version continues to search for Hughes' killer, asking the Barry the Chopper guy if he had done it. He doesn't make a big deal out of it even though there's some angst, but you can tell it stays on his mind as a revenge/constructional thing. He doesn't forget. Hughes' murder is mentioned in the anime, but only as a warning/example of what could happen if people got too careless.

Another guy I REALLY like more in the manga was Envy--he's portrayed as a lot YOUNGER and human-like in the manga; he makes mistakes and goofy "Aw shit no" faces and says he doesn't like to fight (he likes to kill people; just not fight) so he's got more personality. In the anime (the bits I've seen) he's just this evil, angry selfish guy who's still very suave but...yeah.

Devious, very evil, very delicious, but he was funny in the manga--he wasn't perfect, he didn't win all the fights, and at times you could tell he felt something for his companions--he was pissed when Lust was murdered. He even seemed nervy, if not afraid, about how close the public had come to finding the Sins' base! He felt something like fear, something like companionship--maybe not those things exactly, but there were more traces of humanity and youth in the manga version--the anime version was still very accurate and cool, but very jaded and cold.
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Way I like it.redninjawinz on January 19th, 2005 12:06 pm (UTC)
Also in the anime Evny was kind of a pansy and creepy until later episodes. For the longest time, I thought he was a girl.
attention span of a small mammalgelfling8604 on January 19th, 2005 12:20 pm (UTC)
*chokes on laughter*

Ah man, I saw the END of the anime before the middle--like the end of the middle. That's something to look for, certainly.

And he's still creepy--it's a good thing ^^
EvilHippo of the Clan MacHippo: Roykageevilhippo on January 19th, 2005 12:23 pm (UTC)
I've got this obsession with Manga!Roy... in fact, I really didn't care much for Mustang's character in the anime until after chapter 39, because at that point the Roy-love just sort of spilled over. Manga!Roy's just so... morbid. And, oddly, a lot more obvious about his emotions. I don't think anime Roy really overlooked Hughes' death though... towards the end I really got the impression that it was that event that motivated him to go straight after the homunculus (or at least Pride) instead of just working his way to the top. And, on the second time through the episodes, I noticed that Anime!Roy's got the whole sneaky thing going on too, but it's just so subtle in the anime (it's so subtle in 37, since you probably wouldn't be watching for it...) it's absolutely possible to never notice it's there. He's pulling a ton of strings in the background. I don't know if the manga makes it more obvious or what. But Manga!Roy's got a much bigger dork factor, and I love him for that.

(Okay, so I spend an insane amount of time trying to sort Roy out. What can I say? Hehehehe)
chrononuriko on January 19th, 2005 12:27 pm (UTC)
I never noticed too much of a difference between Mustang and Envy from the manga and anime...some small things (like Mustang being overall more badass in the manga), yes...

But the truly different ones in my opinion are Winry and Al. Winry's actually cool in the manga (compare the manga and anime versions of the first visit to Rush Valley) and Al, for being 'near immortal', actually tries to be useful instead of letting everyone else be endangered in battle as he watches on the sidelines.
Sarah: charmgundamnook on January 19th, 2005 12:40 pm (UTC)
And you've got to admit, having Al able to do the hand clappy thing on a regular bases in the manga is way cooler then the only one time he was able to do it in the anime!

Plus Al is just way cooler in the manga then anime! Manga!Al = double teh luv! ^.^
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angsty lemon ukewabisuke on January 19th, 2005 12:33 pm (UTC)
I get those kinds of vibes as well....though, when you say "a long time after the murder", you have to also consider how long it's actually been. Hughes is murdered 3rd chapter of book 4, buried next chapter.

Book 5 gets us back with Ed/Al/Winry for maybe two weeks at most, book 6 is pretty much a total flashback and took a few hours probably to explain. Book 7, we get the Greed story arc...anywhere from a day to a few weeks.....

In any case, I just want to say that the time flow is not as long as the manga makes it seem. The time frames could have been just like the anime, for all we know: within a year or two.

I don't know what I'm rambling about, I just wanted to point out time passage. I agree with alot of the character points. Especially with Envy. I think anime!Roy does care about his crew, he just doesn't get the opportunity to show it (nor does the series have time to showcase all the secondary characters, unfortunatly) =D;
EvilHippo of the Clan MacHippo: Hughes_chuuuevilhippo on January 19th, 2005 12:39 pm (UTC)
For some reason, I've always had the impression that less time has passed in the manga (mostly because there's at least a month of random training in the anime. I don't remember it taking that long in the manga). But the anime timeline confuses the heck out of me, anyway. ^_^

(And oh, how the secondary characters in the manga = love. Yay Breda! Yay Ninja!Havoc!)
Jerusharedushab on January 19th, 2005 12:41 pm (UTC)
The version of the anime subbed I saw has Havoc saying that they wouldn't follow Roy if all he did was try to reach the top, as does the Funi dub, actually. XD A lot of what we see is Roy trying to reach the top, but I don't think it's all we see. After all, he comes after Ed, not to turn him in to the Fuhrer, but to find out why in hell he did what he did. He knows where Marco is hiding, yet he doesn't turn him in...etc.
Aubrey Myers: glowyarmaina on January 19th, 2005 01:08 pm (UTC)
I prefure the manga over the anime (well.. I almost ALWAYS do..)

Other great differences


King Bradly is WRATH!!! not pride WRATH WRATH WRATH WRATH !! it suits him better anyway
Heck, Pride isn't even introduced quite yet.

AND I do not know but.. does Al learn how to do transmutations without a transmutation circle in the anime? Because I know he does in the manga.
a fangirltreesock on January 19th, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with you there. >_>

I haven't actually SEEN Kiddy Wrath, but I have a feeling I wouldn't like him anyways.

Bradley is omgcool, though. D:
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desudeitydes_akazim on January 19th, 2005 01:10 pm (UTC)
Winry was kind of lame in the anime, in my opinion. And Manga!Roy> Anime!Roy <3
attention span of a small mammalgelfling8604 on January 21st, 2005 12:29 pm (UTC)
I liked how Sheska had a big part in the anime, but they made the possible Elric/Rockbell romance a lot more obvious than they did in the manga--and it was with Ed. Ed and Winry don't really match together though...she goes better with Ed. Think some of it was fanservice 00
Saya Aensland: BWAHAHA!saya_aensland on January 19th, 2005 01:11 pm (UTC)
he really cared about his team (examples with Havoc and Hughes especially). In the anime (the slightly fansubbed version I saw) he's described as only caring about reaching the top--ONLY that. The only scene I can think of that argues against it is when he assigns the lieutenant group the job of finding Havoc a girl friend, because Havoc was too distracted without one.

Reversely, Roy's worry for the Elric Bros is a LOT more blatant in the anime.

Roy: *to Hughes* Why didn't you tell me the Elric brothers are hospitalized?! (ep 25)

Roy: Where are they?
Ross: They have set out on a journey to accomplish their goal. I believe they will contact us when the time comes, so we have to be patient for now--
Roy: *looking mighty pissed* I'm asking where they went! (ep 27)

Roy: Ed! What are you doing here?! (ep 40)

Roy: *to Ed* Why didn't you tell me anything? (ep 40)

Roy: *to Ed* Why did you run off without asking for my help?! (ep 43)

The only instances in the manga I can point out are chapter 16 (the chapter shares this scene with ep 25) and chapter 35, when he neglects to tell them about Hughes.

Maybe anime!Roy just channels all his carebare radiation on Ed and Al.
mikkeneko on January 20th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC)
I found anime Roy perceptibly warmer and more likeable than manga Roy, who always came off as something of a jerk. That may just be an effect of hearing anime Roy's voice.
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Mabis: Roy1mabis on January 19th, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)
I always thought there was so much more depth to anime!Roy than to manga!Roy. Of course, I've seen the anime bits with Roy about 100 times, while I've only read through the manga twice.

My impression is that anime!Roy is much more kind and noble, or at least makes those qualities a lot more obvious in the anime. With manga!Roy...I can't see much past his "bastard" appearance. They say he's very kind, but I'm not really seeing it very much in his actions.
Also, anime has that whole Rockbell thing with Roy, which just isn't in the manga. That right there costs manga!Roy a bunch of potential character development.

My way of summing up the differences between anime and manga is that anime is more character based, while the manga is more plot based. I much prefer character development over plot, thus I like the anime more. If people like big juicy plots, they may like the maga more. Personal tastes, and all.
Marikaitou_marina on January 19th, 2005 02:04 pm (UTC)
I agree, anime!Roy has a bit more depth to me personally because I just think we get to see a little more of his guilt there. I mean, the scene where he looks like he wants to die inside at the very end when Pride kills his kid really got to me.
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Marikaitou_marina on January 19th, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC)
I never got the impression that anime!Roy doesn't care about his team as much as manga!Roy does. I think they both care for their teams the same amount, we just get to see different sides of it in the anime. I mean, I'm thinking of the episode in the 30s where he gets sent back to Central and when the time comes to choose subordinates, he goes right to his men and Hawkeye, and even gives in to a begging Falman and allows him to come as well. That sort of thing tells me that anime!Roy cares.

And I thoroughly THOROUGHLY disagree that Hughes' death doesn't continue to have an affect in the anime. In fact, it drives an entire half of the very end of the series. First of all, Sheska won't shut up about it and keeps investigating and everything. And Roy goes out to kill the Fuhrer on his own as revenge for Hughes. How can you say that Hughes' death doesn't affect the anime as much? I mean, Roy GIVES UP that "going to the top" thing to put an end to the stuff that killed Hughes in the first place. I don't get it... O.o

Envy says he doesn't like to fight in the anime too. O.o Where did you get the idea that he didn't?

Just curious, but have you not seen the entire anime?
Jevanajeva_chan on January 19th, 2005 03:07 pm (UTC)
Okay, I'm only up to episode 31 of the anime and I've only read up to chapter 11 in the manga, but I have to say that I agree that the case of the differences in Manga!Roy and Anime!Roy may be the fact of how they go about presenting him. The anime has a darker tone to it, really, and it goes at a pace that keeps the audience guessing at what will happen next if they haven't read the manga.

Anime!Roy seems the master manipulator. He knows what's going on around him and he works to get all the support and the subordinates that matter to him personally. Otherwise, he would have left them behind when he got transferred back to Central. Hawkeye and Roy's relationship are the most easily noticable, but then there's Havoc and Roy's companionship that's not as pronounced but still there and noticable. Especially in the way how Havoc tries to at least defend Roy's outward appearance of being only obsessed with reaching the top.

One fact that keeps getting overlooked about Roy's reaction to Hughes death is the fact that despite the fact that he continued on his seeming-obsession of getting to the top, he was doing that for Hughes himself. It was to Hughes that he vowed he would get to the top to change things, to make things in their country better than they had been up to that point. When Hughes was killed, Roy seemed to be in a very vunerable position because his strongest supporter and one strong foothold to the inside of the Fuhrer's office had been cut off. Not only that, but his best and closest friend at that point was cruely taken from him. What else was he supposed to do? Wallow forever in grief? That doesn't seem like any Roy we know. Yes, he'd grieve, but he'd keep going forward and carrying out his plans because he had sworn to Hughes he would.

I think maybe in the manga, Roy cared a lot about Ed and Al, but probably showed it more in his annoying/charming manner ^.^" In episode 13, we get more than our share of Roy's goofy and somewhat eccentric behavior. It also shows us that he does mock Ed more than needed, but more than anything, the anime shows more of how much Roy seems to care for the two brothers and their plight. He's just a big softy like that.

...yeah...my 2 cents! ^.^"
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Wiccat: Cheetah Envy (rootoftheoracle)wiccat on January 19th, 2005 02:54 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you, especially about Envy. I really dislike the whole indestructable, always win, superman aspect that they stuck him with in the anime. Yes, he's funnier in the manga. I definitely prefer the manga over the anime. Though I do have to say I like little anime Wrath better than manga Wrath and I like manga Wrath better than anime Pride XD
attention span of a small mammalgelfling8604 on January 20th, 2005 09:38 am (UTC)
Hey...you're Art's friend...I know you.

But I liked anime Wrath--he was weird, but he was funny too. Manga Wrath didn't seem too angry, just very, very effecient at killing. I still wanna see manga Pride--I'm starting to get really confused on those last two sins, Wrath and Pride, because they got mixed up.
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Rhel: roy nerdrabidtanukichan on January 19th, 2005 04:42 pm (UTC)
Heh, I wasn't a Roy fan until I started watching the anime fansubs... and heard his really deep voice. <3
Eh, yeah... Envy's more human (oh noes! *is killed*) in the manga, but again, I wasn't an Envy fan until the anime. And... (manga spoiler?!!) he isn't killing Hoho... @_o;;
Hmm... whats this?
attention span of a small mammalgelfling8604 on January 20th, 2005 09:23 am (UTC)
I wasn't a Roy fan until I understood everything he'd done to/for Ross, and only in the anime after he chased after the Elrics and then let them go because that was just cute.

And...WHO doesn't Envy kill? What? Is this a spoiler YOU know or is this a spoiler I revealed dumbly?
summerwolf on January 19th, 2005 08:27 pm (UTC)
As far as Hughes's death goes....I think Anime!Roy and Manga!Roy deals with it in two different ways. Anime!Roy let grief runs its course before moving on, Manga!Roy never let it do so and instead turn it into a power to move forward.

But yes, he's sneakier. And his tired face when he reads up on spines for Havoc is like, WUV. <3
attention span of a small mammalgelfling8604 on January 20th, 2005 09:17 am (UTC)
Agree with the different reactions--they're nearly different characters, sometimes.
lost_zeppo on January 20th, 2005 02:49 am (UTC)
I was starting to hate Mustang in the manga, until I realised exactly what he was actually up to in the more recent chapters.

Still not 100% convinced about him, since he hasn't clearly shown any remorse over the Ishbal massacre (though his silence and the fact his face is often hidden when the subject comes up suggests he might have some regrets), but he is a much more active character in the manga than in the anime, and gets involved in matters a little more.

Also, as mentioned he seems to care more for his team too.
mica_chan: XF - by megan c - Surronded by idiotsmica_chan on January 20th, 2005 11:13 am (UTC)
I came to the conclusion that the great majority here don't like remorseless characters. They are my favorites ^_^ To me, if Roy had really killed Maria, it would be great! (but I liked even more what really hapenned)
I'm a Roy fan...in all sides of his personality.
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Katu: edo angerfullmetalkatu on January 20th, 2005 03:13 pm (UTC)
I ADORE Envy in the Manga, I love him to death, I really do, but I haven't been able to find him in the anime.

And you're very much right about Roy. O_o