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12 December 2004 @ 12:47 pm
SHOCKU! CLASP VS. PUNCH?!  
Apparently I have no life today and was rewatching episode 6, pausing around where everyone was throwing a huge hissy fit about *GASP* THE EDIT.

I am not here to complain or whatever (I actually don't care too much either way), but to give an easy-to-follow comparison.



This is the original shot. You can see that Edward's punched his fist into his palm in frustration. Thanks to xkesshoux for the screencap!

Here comes the fun part! Note that I took these with a digital camera so that's why the quality is really weird.

OH! I'M FRUSTRATED!


The hands come together....


Fingers interlock...


Ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves an Edward who looks like he is praying.


So....let's compare.



Theories:
1) BONES did the editing
1a) to clarify the clappy alchemy
1b) to fill in what could be "a plothole" in the original IF we theorize that Edward can only do clappy alchemy by clapping instead of bringing his two hands together.

2)FUNi did it for some strange reason we don't know. (NOTE: Mike, one of the two directors of the dub had nothing to do with it. His theories are that it was either edited by FUNi after the voice tracks were recorded or AS did it.)

3)Adult Swim did it because slamming a fist into a palm is some strange offensive gesture (when Majihal getting SKEWERED by a sword isn't and was still PG?)

In any case, I wonder why no one redid Haruko's ear after half of it got shot off in episode 5.




I am done. =D

EDIT 2daidoujisan has confirmed it! The culprit is BONES! FUNi and Adult Swim....you're free to go. For now.
 
 
ジェニイ 「Jenny」: Aru with kitty cat Edo~ [coffee_doll]kirchu on December 12th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! :O OMG, I'M BLIND! X_X;

Wow, Adult Swim might think we're very naive...-_-; *sigh*
Feriawithout_reason on December 12th, 2004 12:55 pm (UTC)
1b) to fill in what could be "a plothole" in the original IF we theorize that Edward can only do clappy alchemy by clapping instead of bringing his two hands together.

I doubt that's a plothole because the idea of clapping hand to perform alchemy is to make a circular connection (or closed circut) with the body. Him punching into his palm would make such a connection and be able to channel the energy.

I still don't see the real reason why it was edited. The clasping looks odd. o_o;;
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 12:57 pm (UTC)
Yes, but in the series, besides that scene, Edward ALWAYS claps. So I dunno. Maybe people got confused anyways. o_O
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ACacdragonmaster on December 12th, 2004 01:33 pm (UTC)
My only reason against Adult Swim do the editing, is that they generally tend to be rather clumsy when they edit stuff- painting swimsuits is one thing, but try reading the edit list on AnimeNewsNetwork for anything that has a lot of blood and stuff, a good deal of the time they make errors. Editing the animation to that extent, I'm not sure their editors would even have that level of skill... >_>
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 01:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking but then I also thought of what they did with Inu Yasha's first episode with the topless Mistress Centipede and erased her breasts completely throughout the episode.

Though, I have to admit, I don't know if that's an edit done by Viz FOR Adult Swim or one that AS did on their own.

two cents. =)
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[Z]zyraxus on December 12th, 2004 01:38 pm (UTC)
Eh... it's really not that big of a deal o_o; I think theory 1 is the most logical reason for it to be edited myself, since when I first watched it, I remember not making the connection of the hand-punch to the alchemy clappy thing.

You're all wrong! It's a hand seal! Edward learned Water-Boil no Jutsu!
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 01:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, but everyone was making such a big fuss so I decided to waste my time and put them side by side (I don't care too much about it either way. I just like theorizing). Hehe. XD
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sporkbot -- Rugged Heartthrob: gothsporkbotic on December 12th, 2004 01:40 pm (UTC)
Hakuro's ear DOES magically heal. I noticed this when first watching the series.
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 02:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed it too. I was hoping it was a one time mistake but it seems it really did heal. o_O
maboroshi_hime on December 12th, 2004 01:41 pm (UTC)
Not sure about the Clasp VS Punch, but the ear thing? Didn't at least 3 months past between that and the exams? maybe it grew back.

...then again, maybe not. @__@
[Z]zyraxus on December 12th, 2004 01:44 pm (UTC)
It's flesh colored automail. -nodnod-
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Yuuki Hikari: Edwardyuukihikari on December 12th, 2004 01:46 pm (UTC)
That's a complete re-draw.... wtf o_O;. I don't understand why they'd have wasted someone's salary (whomever the guilty party was) to re-do that o_O. Upon seeing it, it looks too well done to be AS's fault. Both hands and his jacket (creases and shading) were re-done - there was no flaw in the animation movement.

*scratches head profusely* not like it's the end of the world or anything.... but I simply don't understand why *insert guilty party* would have wasted time re-doing that o_O; it's so trivial.
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 02:00 pm (UTC)
woah, yeah it's a completely new drawing. His hair is different in the shots. *just ran the original pictures through photoshop and cropped the AS shot to the same level as the original* o_O
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I run on coffee and impatiencemelts on December 12th, 2004 01:48 pm (UTC)
oh wow. I didn't know exactly how the editing was (uh, no cable TV XD)..but that's just stupid. I thought it was simply edward clapping, not clasping his fingers like his praying. WTF?! That doesn't fit with Ed at all, and just looks, weird. The punch is more realistic and spontaneous, and something you would do if a woman is about to give birth and said something about "I can feel its head!!"

Red Power Ranger ソランジredninjawinz on December 12th, 2004 01:50 pm (UTC)
As probably did the editing. They edit every anime. It's like their thing. They are edit crazy and probably we like 'OMG we have to edit something in FMA... edit the punch make it a clasp!!!"

I never understand AS's obsession with editing when the shows are rated for 14 and up. This brings to light my favorite editing by AS which was Cowboy Bebop when they keps editing away blood because they felt it was just to much.
PDUTogepi: Alchemy rocks!pdutogepi on December 12th, 2004 01:51 pm (UTC)
Ya know, before watching the episode I had read here there was an edit somewhere in the episode but when I saw it I really didn't notice anything, though the hand clasp did stand out to me but I didn't think that was the edit, I think only my subconcious noticed it XD;;

Meh, not a big deal anyway XD It was still an awesome episode!
fortexdfortexd on December 12th, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC)
I was the same way when I watched it- the clasp stood out to me, but I thought it was just me being weirded out by early non-manga filler stuff. I agree with everyone else that's posted...WTH would anybody want to edit something as stupid and small as that? For heaven sakes, just leave it be, people!
bluesky_complex on December 12th, 2004 02:20 pm (UTC)
(haven't seen the sub yet~ ;.;)
Uh, wtfbbq. That's the most nonsense edit I've ever seen, so I guess I'll go along with theory 1b? O_o;

Somehow, Ed's face looks cuter in the edited version, though XD; I'm weird XO
angsty lemon ukewabisuke on December 12th, 2004 02:24 pm (UTC)
That's because I used the wrong picture in the juxtaposed picture. (it should be this one but I had cropped it too much when I took the picture XD;; )
Rhelrabidtanukichan on December 12th, 2004 02:58 pm (UTC)
Why?! WHY? aaa (confused)
...
Hakuro totally has magic, fast-regrowing cartilage, didn't you know?
Buffalo in a China Shoprinnychan on December 12th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC)

Here, we see something very puzzling: This is clearly the same shot. Ed's face is the same in both. This is the frame immediately before his hands meet. One, however, shows MORE of his body, along with his other hand.

Buffalo in a China Shoprinnychan on December 12th, 2004 03:56 pm (UTC)
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リミックス・サクラremix_sakura on December 12th, 2004 05:04 pm (UTC)
jeebus, NOTHING gets past us. XD
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Yuuki Hikariyuukihikari on December 12th, 2004 07:17 pm (UTC)
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet (there's a lot of collapsed replies to go through) but I think FUNi has been saved from wrath o.O;;; that edit is ALSO on the Japanese DVD version...

the FMA dub episode up for download has the audio timed up to the R2 DVD rip and it had the SAME re-done scene o_O; what's Bones doing... the scene is entirely re-done from the moment we start at Ed's hands all the way to where he slaps them together.

o_O;;;
Tashatasha_mac on December 12th, 2004 08:38 pm (UTC)
OMG! AS EDITED THE JAPANESE DVD TOO! :O

I'm glad someone busted in with logic here. Cripes, it's five seconds of film. I can't wait to see what happens if they really edit something. I bet LJ will randomly burst into flames.
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