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30 November 2004 @ 12:53 am
 
Ok I have a question



What the bloody hell is Envy? I don't know if it is a boy or girl. I always thought it impersonated too many people to remember its gender or true form, but the long hair form it uses. Is it male or female? It sounds male but it looks female. I can't rely on the voice since Al and Ed are both played by women. Does anyone know?

This comes after me seeing a Lust/Envy DJ and they were she males.

Can I just say how much much I love Armstrong!!!!!! He has always been my fav FMA character.
 
 
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Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Believeredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:16 pm (UTC)
if it is a girl in the English version, that is it for me and the English dub FMA
Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 10:17 pm (UTC)
I've heard it's a guy.

BTW, his Japanese voice actor is female XD
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Way I like it.redninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:19 pm (UTC)
yes but so is Ed's and Al's so that proves nothing.

It's true form is male but Envy doesn't remember its true form through out most of the manga
Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 10:22 pm (UTC)
I wasn't saying it proved anything, I was just a little confused why having a female voice for him in the dub perturbed you so much.
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Eyebrowsredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:26 pm (UTC)
no no I think you misunderstood. The voice in Japanese means nothing. If that was true Ed and Al are transexuals.

I just meant the Japanese voice give no clues as to what gender Envy is.
Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 10:29 pm (UTC)
I realize that, I understood that XD What I was wondering is why it would have "been it for you" and the dub if Envy had had a female voice actor. I was wondering why that would have bothered you so much. If Envy IS androgynous, why would having a female voice actor in English have been a problem?

And in case you were confused, I meant that I'd heard that Envy's voice in English IS a guy, so you won't have to worry about that.
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: fun with steakredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC)
ohh because many series have japanes female voice actors for male parts. But I've only liked one series, FLCL, where a male part has been voiced by a female in the dubs. I have to admitt. English speaking woman have deeper voices then Japanese. I only found out today that Ed was voiced by a female. In English. minus the voice of Noata in FLCL, you can tell that females or males are playing them..

I'm not looking foward to Envy being voice in English just as I'm not looking foward to the English dub of Jakostu.
Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 10:44 pm (UTC)
Hmm, but I've watched a great deal of dubs, and heard a lot of female-to-male voices, and I say that some women English voice actors can play maleish voices just as well as the Japanese voice actors can. I don't know if you're familiar with the anime for CLAMP's X/1999, but there is an androgynous character that is part of the cast. In its English dub, a woman was cast to play the part, and she plays it to perfection, sounding like a male and a female simultaneously. In fact, the English voice sounds almost exactly like the Japanese voice, who was also a woman.

Anyway, my point is kind of moot, because Envy's voice will be played by a male in the English version anyway. XD

(I'm very aware that a great deal of women Japanese seiyuu play male parts. In fact, most of my favorite ones do, including Ogata Megumi, Kawakami Tomoko, Sakamoto Chika and, of course, Paku Romi <3)
Red Power Ranger ソランジredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:56 pm (UTC)
Never seen that anime.

You have to remember American are scared of anything no normal. This doesn't go for all Americans.

I know Envy will be played by a man. Its the way of Americans we are kept from alot of things. Just like Salior Moon was Americanized.

I've only seen one dub where the voice confused me.
Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 11:00 pm (UTC)
I think Americans are quite used to hearing females play male voices. After all, it's MORE common in American cartoons to employ a female to play the voice of a young boy than to employ a young boy or man. Sometimes it happens that a male will even play a woman's voice in a cartoon (for example, the Incredibles, one of the female characters was played by a male). It's not something scary to Americans.

If you're saying the FMA dub has been Americanized (your comment confused me) I don't believe it has been at all. CERTAINLY not to the degree of the Sailor Moon dub.
Red Power Ranger ソランジredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 11:10 pm (UTC)
no that's not what i mean. I'm not talking about American Anime fans. I'm talking about American anime distributors.

And the only person in the 'Incredibles' that was played by a female that was really a male was a non imporant character.

reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on November 29th, 2004 11:13 pm (UTC)
Well, we won't see Envy until about episode 14 so until then we'll have to see.

Don't underestimate the talent of the cast, there are Voice Actors and Actresses out there who are able to make thier voices sound as if they're neither a guy or a girl. Yamaguchi-san who did Envy also did Jianliang Li (Jenrya Li/Henry Lee) from Digimon Tamers who was obviously a guy she, along with other voice Actresses, are amazing with voicing guys as are thier North American and European counterparts in other language dubs.

Sailor Moon was never americanized. Yu-Gi-Oh! has been, Sailor Moon hasn't. (They just changed the school name from 10th Street Jr High/High School to Crossroads or something...nothing big. Beside thier location (namely Tokyo) is rarely mentioned but they are in Tokyo)

With YGO, the editors made one scene where the gang is in a fictional city in Japan to being in America. That is americanization.

You have to remember American are scared of anything no normal. This doesn't go for all Americans
True and Not True. True some Americans out there that's afraid of beyond-the-norm things but not True that ALL americans have that same mentality and nor does it apply to Americans only. But its not the American population who get to decide what gets edited and what doesn't like in a national election. Just a bunch of Producers, directors and Editors do and by doing that they have to respect a set guideline of fairly strict rules.

Each and every comapany has thier own policies to follow and they have to respect the regulations put down by the FAA(or FCC?...) which exclude swearing on television shows rated G (by the US rating system) and violence. All edits and changes are based on the companies viewer rating range and thier policies. So for example, take 4Kids who does the Y7 shows. Whatever anime they pick up for licensing they have to tone down or dub to suit thier rating and thier policies (and if you're that iffy, thier secret money-laundering agendas...but that's besides the point!).

Funimation over the past few years has been getting more and more lenient on thier editing (meaning they edit far less) and try and do thier best to keep super-true to the original and far away from angering the boards. They will do a good job on this series and are not going to Americanize this series. Besides, how can you americanize a series that doesn't even take place in this world? Or in this decade for that matter.
Red Power Ranger ソランジredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 11:16 pm (UTC)
Actually SM was commercialize on DVD and on TV. I watch SM from age 7 - now. It very Americanize.

I hope Funimation is letting a few more things go. I know from watching other animes Americans ruined the dubs. Maybe resently USA is letter some anime's slide.
ACacdragonmaster on November 29th, 2004 11:19 pm (UTC)
The only company that actually "Americanizes" anime anymore is 4Kids, and everyone hates them for it. The other major companies have caught on that the reasons fans like it is because it's Japanese, not in spite of it.

Funimation is doing a great job so far, really. They could still improve a bit, yes, but when the director comments in his LiveJournal about using fansubs to help when putting together his dub scripts, methinks that's a good sign...
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Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 11:21 pm (UTC)
Sailor Moon WAS a bit Americanized, at least dialog-wise, what with all the addition of really retarded slang and stuffs. But it wasn't NEARLY as bad as it would have been if it had aired later XD

FCC.

And I have YET to see any evidence of this supposed "digital editing" that Funi said was going to have to be done to tone down violence that everyone freaked out about. Which pleases me greatly.
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