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30 November 2004 @ 12:53 am
 
Ok I have a question



What the bloody hell is Envy? I don't know if it is a boy or girl. I always thought it impersonated too many people to remember its gender or true form, but the long hair form it uses. Is it male or female? It sounds male but it looks female. I can't rely on the voice since Al and Ed are both played by women. Does anyone know?

This comes after me seeing a Lust/Envy DJ and they were she males.

Can I just say how much much I love Armstrong!!!!!! He has always been my fav FMA character.
 
 
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Absinthe and cyanidetarnishedestiny on November 29th, 2004 09:59 pm (UTC)
If I remember correctly, Envy is a boy as seen in the last episodes. O_o
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Way I like it.redninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:01 pm (UTC)
I've never seen the last episode and I only read the manga
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Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Giddy as a School girlredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:02 pm (UTC)
Not at all.
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Marikaitou_marina on November 29th, 2004 10:08 pm (UTC)
I imagine the form that Envy maintains most of the time is androgynous, that is, very very GENDERLESS. However, in the anime, his TRUE form (that is, who he was before he died, since in the anime, the homunculi are all born from failed human transmutations. The manga is different, as I'm sure you know) is most definitely male.

I theorize the one he uses most of the time really is genderless though, as the androgynous being is an important symbol in alchemy, and it seemed to fit with the series. The manga suggests that he's somehow incomplete (Greed mentions it)

That's all I know or theorize XD
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: fun with steakredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:17 pm (UTC)
But through the manga he doesn't remember his true form. That's why I asked. Also I'm up to chapter 37 in the manga
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ACacdragonmaster on November 29th, 2004 10:12 pm (UTC)
In the Japanese version of the series, Envy consistantly uses the pronoun "ore" to refer to himself. This is a very masculine pronoun- while I've heard at least one female character use the boyish "boku" before, "ore" is exclusively used by males. So, in the Japanese, there is really little question as to his gender (or at least, what gender he considers himself to be).

And there is also the stuff from the last episodes of the series, where he is definitely male.

Incidently, because of that language thing, one of my friends and I theorize that Envy's English voice will be much lower than his Japanese, and English lacks that sort of lingual indicator of gender.
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Believeredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:16 pm (UTC)
if it is a girl in the English version, that is it for me and the English dub FMA
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sakurak on November 29th, 2004 10:18 pm (UTC)
If I recall correctly, I think it's stated in the Hagaren DX that manga!Envy doesn't even know him(her)self. ^_^*
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Drinking helpsredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:20 pm (UTC)
finally someone manga related. That's my problem. I don't remember Envy ever having a gender except from what I've heard about the 51st ep.

I guess Envy is genderless.
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Running Amok at an Eateryraane on November 29th, 2004 10:24 pm (UTC)
His usual form has some pretty defined pecs.
Red Power Ranger ソランジ: Porn is Goodredninjawinz on November 29th, 2004 10:27 pm (UTC)
it has breast. Thats not defined to me.

Remember not everyone has large boobs and Envy has boobs.
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mikkeneko on November 29th, 2004 11:27 pm (UTC)
Not entirely relevant to the subject, but interesting all the same: if you compare the Envy of episode 14 and the Envy of episode 50, there's a very distinct difference. By episode 50, his voice is deeper and rougher, his chest is broader, and his muscles are more clearly defined; obviously intended to be more masculine. In 14, the first time we see his Envy form, it's much slimmer, his voice is higher, and he's overall more androgynous.

I would say that the anime Envy underwent a very distinct metamorphasis from beginning to end to establish him as a male character in our minds. However, if you start out with the Envy of the beginning, as being closer to the manga Envy, then he really could go either way.

Myself, I had the crack theory towards the end of the anime that Envy's original form was Hohenheim's daughter. *hee*
Either love me or leave me alonesyphonboa on November 30th, 2004 06:38 am (UTC)
Envy is very much a guy.

But he refers to that as his "kawaii form" so maybe he likes using that to feel all sexy-like. ^^;;

I really agree with the observation as to his changes from the beginning to the end.

In the end Envy is more violent and action oriented (pounding holes in the floor) definitely shows a more masculine streak.


Either love me or leave me alonesyphonboa on November 30th, 2004 06:42 am (UTC)
I drew another envy lately (ill color much later) but after some interesting poses....it has occured to me what Envy's style is! He's a Vale Tudo fighter!!!!

nah, envy's generic form is a male, a very girly and "kawaii" male....but id male nonetheless. ^^;

~xian