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13 November 2004 @ 11:04 am
Let's get our "talk on" about Chapter 41  

I love me the anime and all but damn if the different twists in this chapter aren't fantastic. I love how Scar is a completely evil bastard, though I have to wonder if he really killed them. Perhaps Envy did it to prevent either side from trusting the other at all. The way Ed met Hohenhiem was very nice too, not as "comedic" as in the anime, though the first frame of the next chapter could be oh him wailing on him. Such a great chapter, all I can say is "Go Roy!" He's drop'n plans like nobodies business.
 
 
billypilgrim on November 13th, 2004 08:16 am (UTC)
I am very happy with the chapter, and I really doubt it was Envy. Scar is just a horrible man, and perhaps him being an actual "warrior priest" adds a different element. The anime hoped we forget about that [Just like we should forget that we didn't know Ed didn't know about Hughes. damn that pissed me of.] I really hope some of this get's animated, in an OVA somewhere down the line. Some of this stuff is too great.

I think the lack of Al, who actually cared about Hohienheim really changes Ed's reaction to him. Something tells me Hohienheims going to react first.
Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on November 13th, 2004 08:20 am (UTC)
This is true, my mind is squishy from the "no-so-bad" anime Scar, compared to Mr. MDK he is in the manga. At least he killed Tucker.
fortexdfortexd on November 13th, 2004 01:24 pm (UTC)
Oh god yes. Tucker should have died when he was supposed to..that evil bear-human...chimera...thingy! *cries*
ex_saraswath377 on November 13th, 2004 08:59 am (UTC)
I like it how Ed expanded on how he wants to protect people - it's a further explanation on Al's behavior toward Liza in 39 (since I think I can assume both of them feel the same way in terms of that).

The double-lion in the transmutation circle...one of them is on the Amestris flag...I wonder what that means?

And Roy...I could go on but it would end in lots of hearts and sparkles so I won't. I will say though that in an earlier post I speculated he created the fake body with alchemy and I was right. <3
summerwolf on November 13th, 2004 09:47 am (UTC)
I will not touch on Roy. It will get overblown in a full-out rant with little coherence involved, and I do want to try to avoid that. But suffice to say that he really is a well-rounded scientist. ^___^ Wuv the circular thinking.

I've been thinking about the double lion, too....but the other one looks quite different. Maybe it meant the two branches of alchemy that split when the alchemists from Xerxes went to Xing and Amestris?

Ross is almost right up there with Riza now. *sniff* And when she said why she doesn't want Broshe to know, I was like "OMGSHIP". ^___^

I really like Ed's thinking in this chapter. And am I the only one who thinks Chapter 42 will whip Episode 44's ass?
summerwolf on November 13th, 2004 09:48 am (UTC)
Bit more : I REALLY like how Breda was ready to follow Roy's orders and kill Ross if she turns out to be the one who really did kill Hughes. A fair addition to both Roy and Breda's character depths.
Calessandriana on November 13th, 2004 10:56 am (UTC)
All this chapter did was confirm my opinion that Arakawa is a frikkin GENIUS.

She's got everything planned out in advance, with a specific end she's working towards, and it's really obvious, unlike a lot of animes/mangas where the plot just keeps going and going without an end in sight. And she's given all the characters distinct personalities; you never feel like oh, this person is a throwaway character. Like Breda, in this chapter.

I hate her for leaving us hanging for another month about Havoc, though. Since Hughes died, he's my new favorite secondary character, and I've got a vague plotbunny going about things that might happen while he's in the hospital... but anyways.

I'm not particularily surprised about the whole Maria Ross thing, though. Glad, yes. Surprised, no. I do think it's interesting that she's headed to Xing; I keep wondering what role that country will have to play in future events. Because you know it will.

About the Rockbells... I had actually forgotten that Roy killing the Rockbells was animeverse, not mangaverse. That revelation happened back when the anime was mostly sticking to the events in the manga, so I guess I just kind of assumed?

I can't wait to see what Ed's going to do about his dad randomly showing up for the first time in like, ten years, though. Is Hoenheim going to be good? evil? or just misunderstood? Though, knowing Arakawa, next chapter she'll shift the focus back to Central and we'll have to wait *another* month to find out.

The one problem I had with this, though, was not with the chapter itself, just with my understanding of what exactly was happening when Breda was chewing Ed out, and how exactly that transitioned into Ed saying he wanted to protect everyone. Did I miss something?

*goes back to read the last four chapters*
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on November 13th, 2004 11:36 am (UTC)
I think it was because Ed was starting to blame himself for Hughes' death because he (and Al) got him so deeply involved in thier quest for the Philosopher's Stone that with all the discoveries Hughes made about the Stone's creation and the Homunculus it got him killed and Ed perhaps feels that they did not do an adequate job of protecting him? (Just a guess. I don't have the chapter in front of me)

Arakawa is a GENIUS and none of her characters so far have been throwaways *points to Hughes, Breda, Farman, Fuery and Havoc*. I mean if you look at the anime, there was no developpement on Breda's character or Fuery's or Farman's (Plus he was portrayed too...cowardly...I mean the guy's a whiz-kid, an animal lover and a good shooter but they only focused on the animal lover and loyal soldier characters). I'm starting to love more of the secondary characters than I did in the anime...I mean, since re-reading the Wartime Flashback chapter, Armstrong's shot up like to the near top of my mental list. (The poor guy was forced to kill innocents with alchemy when he wanted to help people using alchemy T___T)

Someone should build a temple to her or something...'_';
Calessandriana on November 13th, 2004 12:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't like how the anime didn't do much with the more minor side characters. They're half the fun in the series, because they keep ending up NOT being minor characters.
I've never found a series where I loved all the side characters so much-- series where I kind of like them, sure, but one where they are all so equally well characterized that I genuinely don't mind when they're focused on in the story, because they're just as interesting as the main characters? Never. She's just made them all so easy to sympathize with.
The one thing is that she hasn't yet done much with Fury, but I'm sure that will be remedied soon enough.

The real thing that shows her true genius, though, is that although the FMA anime is not as good as the manga (IMO), and even though her intentions for the story were filtered through the screenwriters and the animators, it's still so good you get completely obsessed with it. And that's why it will be a huge success in America, even with the added filter of the English language.

...And the thing that just blows my mind is that this is her FIRST full-length manga.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: hughes. fma [what a wonderful world]x meshinraisei on November 13th, 2004 11:29 am (UTC)
Its actually good to see Ed reflecting more on Hughes atfer discovering his death. I mean the anime just had one scene with Ed going "OMGWTF! HE'S DEAD?!" and then they forgot about him. The guy's not going to be forgotten that easily! I mean, look at all the references to him popping up lately...(In the fangirly-side of my mind part of me wishes that Hughes wasn't dead and that he just went through a Maria-style rescue moment...but sadly that's not true because he was buried and everyone was crying ._.)

Scar is more of a sick evil twisted bastard in the manga than in the anime. Much more suitable to the kind of character he is anyways. (Going on "Die you state alchemists" missions and such. And if he really did kill the Rockbells)

Also, I'm liking the extra developpement on Breda's character. He did say that he was going to kill Maria if she really had killed Hughes. Plus the scene where Breda totally pwns Ed and calls him "Idiot", "Bean" and "Brat" and Ed's like: "*Wimper*" I liked that actually. ^__^;

Breda: Sorry about the "idiot" calling back there, Brat.
Ross: Lt. Breda!

I loved the scene where they were talking about what kind of a name "Lust" was. X'DD

(I agree, Roy must have a fetish liking for dropping plans on everyone's heads. I mean there's a plan here a plan there...Breda actually thought in the phonebooth scene that Roy was GOING to attempt a Human Transmutation but Roy corrected him and said that he was making a body but not doing Human Transmutation [...I think he just made a body, not by the methods of HT but like making a mannequin])

The Hohenheim Encounter scene looks like it'll turn into what I thought episode 44 should've been from its preview (Remember: "What are you doing here you old bastard?!!!" ?) but since we have roughly 3 or 4 different stories going on at the same time here I think the story will shift back south-west to Central for a bit with maybe a bit of touching on what Havoc will do next and perhaps we'll see if Breda and Armstrong will find out about Havoc (because when you think about it that scene ended on a mini-cliffhanger so perhaps a return to where we left off?), how Al and Winry are holding up (because Al is all in pieces right now....xD;) and how the Warrant Officer is doing because last we saw of him he was going mad from staying indoors and not being informed about Roy's plans.

And I'm also curious to see how Pinako's treated Hohenheim's return and perhaps how Ed will react to that. (Got to pity Al though...he's still got the whole "I want to see dad" thing going on in the manga I think and if Hohenheim leaves without Al seeing him it'll be heartbreaking IMO...that is if Ed doesn't tell him a thing about it)

I could go on and on, but I'm so tired x_x; (And its only 12:30pm here)
reversing the polarity of the neutron flowshinraisei on November 13th, 2004 11:55 am (UTC)
and because i'm tired some errors were made here and there (because i just got around to reading Yebyosh's translation *laughs*)
Calessandriana on November 13th, 2004 12:39 pm (UTC)
Can I take it from this that you read the raws first? And would you happen to know where I could find them?
She and her Catwednesday_tea on November 13th, 2004 12:13 pm (UTC)
Could Roy GET any more morbid? "Making burnt corpses is my specialty." *POSES IN THE DARK*

You know, somtimes I just have NO IDEA what these peoplea are talking about. Maybe it's just the translation.

Ooh, Maria is totally stealing Roy's moves. HANDSHAKE!

Oh man, for half a second I thought Edward was holding Armstrong's hand. asldjfak;sf.

Whoa, whoa whoa. I totally didn't realize that Roy didn't kill the Rockbell's in this version. That's sort of weird. AND WHOA, SCAR? Or his brother. Oh, REALLY weird.

Wait, if Winry's parents are Ed's aunt and uncle, doesn't that make him and Winry cousins? Or am I totally missing something here?

DUN DUN DUN, HOHENHEIM. AUUUGH, DECEMBER.
Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on November 13th, 2004 12:30 pm (UTC)
I think he was calling them "Aunt and Uncle" in the sense that they where so close they practically rasied them too. An "honorary" title of Aunt and Uncle.
パイロチャン 「Pyrochan」pyroh on November 13th, 2004 01:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, what finnell1912 said, and I figured it was used in the same way Alicia called Winry "big sister" or Nina called Ed (and Al, I think) "big brother".
brosef stalin, leader of the broletariat.: I make up for it in comedic timing.arisato on November 13th, 2004 01:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you sort of get the flip side of this in the anime when Winry calls Hohenheim "Uncle".

Still, yay for keeping them cousinly! (Y)
sakurak on November 13th, 2004 06:56 pm (UTC)
Not that Hagaren is set in Asia or anything, but in countries like Japan and China, it's respectful/polite to call older people aunt, uncle, older brother/sister, etc, etc, even if they aren't related to you in any way (even to strangers it's okay).
fortexdfortexd on November 13th, 2004 01:34 pm (UTC)
Ok....I have a little question. After Ross asks Mr. Fu whether she can assume there will be a paradise on the other side of the desert, is she crying? In one panel, she has a hand over her eyes, and I can't tell if she's crying or not, because there's no real indication either way....

I absolutely adore Hiromu Arakawa, and I've come to love the manga more than the anime since I started reading it (and that's saying A LOT). I agree with everything that's been said so far- intricate plot twist, well thought out premises and great use of side characters.

I second whoever said that Havoc is their favorite secondary character. Though, I want to know what's going to happen to him T_T. I've speculated on the idea of automail...but then i realized that would mean amputating his legs and waiting a year+ for him to recover...so scratch that! ;)

Hmm...Hohenheim is certainly very mysterious. And Scar is definitely different from his anime counterpart.

Once again, I have to wait again through month-long torture to read the next chapter.....*sigh*
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on November 13th, 2004 03:36 pm (UTC)
Fu says she shouldn't be wasting water. She's crying then.
fortexdfortexd on November 13th, 2004 03:49 pm (UTC)
Thanks ^_^ I thought she was crying, but I wasn't sure...

:\ Poor Ross....she can't even tell Broche or her parents that she's alive...
Kalika Maxwellkalikamaxwell on November 13th, 2004 03:54 pm (UTC)
Poor Broche. He's in depression and Maria is like OMG no don't tell him! ^^;
パイロチャン 「Pyrochan」pyroh on November 13th, 2004 01:42 pm (UTC)
I expected Hughes to appear in this chapter, complete with some great explanation about how his death was also faked ._. Of course Roy wouldn't know about this, but still...it'd be nice if the reader could know. Yeah, I'm still in denial, even more so because of Ross. The casket was empty! There was no bloody telephone booth murder scene! Yeah!

Moving on... Roy Roy Roy Roy!! <3 Absolute mastermind of cool secret plans! >:D Why isn't this series called Flame Alchemist again? It's a really appropriate title, if you ask me. While reading, I remembered Havoc won't get to play a part in any more of Roy's cool secret missions ;__; Maybe he'll have a little improvement in the next chapter... And speaking of which, that cliffhanger was EVIL! I want to know what happens NOW! *flails*

Oh yeah, good that is was confirmed that it wasn't Roy who killed the Rockbells. That takes a bit of angst off of manga!Roy's shoulders. (though I have to admit that angst-bunny!Roy is still cute *squishes him*) When that event started popping up again towards the middle-end of the anime, it occured to me that I couldn't remember manga!Roy feeling the same way about the Rockbells or Winry. He outright flirted with her in the manga, while in the anime he refused to step foot in Hughes' house just cause she was there.

Has anyone made a manga timeline and noted where things are similiar yet different in comparison to the anime? That really needs to get done. Someone could post something on it and we could all make a group project out of completing it! :D
summerwolf on November 13th, 2004 04:01 pm (UTC)
I think the whole Ishvar war happened in a different time (calculated manga Roy, 23 in Ishvar. Anime Roy, 19-20.) Trisha died earlier in the manga. Ed and Al took a longer time studying (guesswork). Et cetera.
Hungry Hungry Mongoosenzmongoose on November 13th, 2004 04:19 pm (UTC)
When I first realised Hohenheim was "Father" I was starting to worry that it's a little cliché having the villain the father of the main protagonists. But it's become really interesting. Instead of a Darth Vader style meet-up, we have him going into the real world when nobody knows what he's been doing. Arakawa really is brilliant. It really makes things twisted, and having to wait yet another chapter to find out how they're going to react to each other is making me cringe.

Scar killing Winry's parents also makes things interesting. He seemed to actually be a bit crazy there. Maybe he had just recovered from being badly wounded by State alchemists (and his brother killed?) and was going on a crazy Amestris killing spree. He still had his bandages on.

It didn't occur to me until then that in the manga Ed hadn't seen Scar's arm. I really hope Scar comes back into it soon, as he hasn't seen any action for a while. It's going to be nasty when Ed finds out it was Scar.

See, this is why I love FMA. Apart from the great characters and interesting plot, what's great is there's all this stuff going on that the characters have no idea about. In fact, it didn't occur to me until this chapter that Ed still doesn't know Envy can change his appearance (Although Ling and Lan Fan do, so if they get around to sharing information this could get even more interesting). The plot really does just keep getting more and more twisted and cruel, and unlike with some others, it's hard to tell where it'll all lead.

Oh, and was I the only one who had a bittersweet moment at getting another scene of Barry? I think he's becoming my denial character.
bluesky_complex on November 13th, 2004 06:09 pm (UTC)
ARAKAWA IS AWESOME. Dude, I really need an OVA inspired on those latest chapters. ;_______;

I love so, so damn much the way she develops every single character. There's just no way you can simply ingnore (most of) the secondary characters in this series. <3

Haha, I had completely forgotten that Roy didn't kill Winry's parents in the manga. Or that Ed hadn't seen Scar's tatooed arm yet. Or that Scar is actually a psycho. XD;

Can't wait to see Ed's reaction to the meeting with Hohenheim after so many years. It definitely doesn't looks like it's going to be that "OMGWTF KUSO OYAJI TAKE THIS" reaction from the anime. XD; I actually kind of liked that since it was so unexpected, but I was hoping to see a serious talk after that.

Geh, for some reason I don't like the idea of Father = Hohenheim... It's almost obvious now that they're the same person, but the idea of the main villain being the father of the main character isn't very appealing to me. But I wanna see how Arakawa is going to handle that. She has awesomely developed the plot so far, that I'll probably change my opinion when the time comes. :D