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04 October 2004 @ 10:42 am
FMA 51 Miscellaneous Queries  
I bided my time to see if anyone asked this or answered them in other posts but as of yet, I've yet to see any real responses. I also spent a good chunk of last night pondering both questions and would appreciate it if anyone could at least try to put my brain at ease.


1. Why does Al think he must use alchemy to get his brother back? Is it just a crazy assumption?
My friend suggested it's because the boys see alchemy as the solution to everything, but this would be awful. If that's the way Al viewed things; it would mean he learned nothing. Yes, I know he forgot his memory but it's a total crock to reduce him to the non-insightful child they were, believing they could transcend death withoud due consequences. I was guessing one of the many people he's hanging with (Does he really need ALL of them) could have mentioned something about Ed being involved in a flawed experiment. Of course, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either since to Al, Ed's only 10. He doesn't look 10, dammit. Does he even know that he's lost 4 years of his life?

2. Ed is obviously missing his arm in our world but is he also missing his leg? If so, what material would be used to remedy that? And is his automail the same he had before Envy killed him or is it shoddy merchandise he put together in our world's time?
My friend suggested Ed just swapped his body for Al when he brought him back. But Ed was in his restored body, where the hell did the beat-up one come from? Also, if that were so, Ed would have his nicer automail but the shot of it in 51 showed his arm to be a crappier kind. We didn't see too much of his leg but he appeared to be walking on it fine when he was following Hohenheim. I seriously doubt prosthetics are that good in the 1900s.

3. Does Ed really believe he can reach his old world through a rocket or higher form of air/space travel? That's a pretty crack theory if you ask me. While on this, why can't Ed do alchemy anymore if he could do it the first time he entered the Gate? Why can't Hohenheim do alchemy? Both were forced into the Gate the same way originally but Ed retained his alchemist powers initially. Now they are both the same. I don't get this at all. Did the Gate, itself, strip both of their abilities?

4. Can one survive getting shot in the head?
I assume this is what happened to Roy since he was missing an eye. Either that, or the was the only part of his neurals damaged after the blow. Though, he was using a cane in the one scene so that could imply a reaction similar to a stroke. What actually happened to the poor man?

5. What's up with this rumor that the idea of 52 episodes was ditched just so the series could end appropriately before Oct 3?
This is the most crack of all.
 
 
(Anonymous) on October 4th, 2004 09:21 am (UTC)
Good Questions
Hmm...I'd like to know the answers to some of these myself. I think the thing with rockets is that machinery was developed in our world instead of alchemy like in Ed's world so he's trying to follow that through and somehow use machinery to get back to his own world...? As for the alchemy using thing, as we know we cannot use alchemy unless you count chemistry. So I think that's why they can't use alchemy in Munich,also when Edward first went through the to other side of the gate he couldn't use alchemy, he was just inside the body of another boy who's _him_ in our world. When that boy's body died under the zepplin crash, he managed to get back to his own world. But this time, he's not in anyone else's body he's...Not sure if he's retained his body or whether his body is still lost behind the gate. Need to rewatch the last ep. And Alphonse (I think) wants to try to use alchemy to regain his brother because there isn't anything else he can try..Maybe he thinks if he understood more about it he could understand what happened to his brother. Better than him just aimlessly scrounging the world for his brother on foot anyway.
Anyhoo, I think that's why...Anybody want to add thoughts to this or answer the other Qs? I'd like to know the answers too ^^
Marikaitou_marina on October 4th, 2004 09:25 am (UTC)
1. What I think Al was getting at was a "relearning" of alchemy. In order to get his brother back, after all, he's gotta learn how to access the gate in a more literal sense so he can bring him back through. The end of the series suggests that you have to have a whole new understanding of alchemy to really get that gate to appear.

2. I'm just as confused as you are about Ed's arm and leg ^.^;;;

3. This one seems like something that will be more thoroughly explained in the movie, but it seemed to me that Ed can't do alchemy anymore because... it's hard to explain. My theory had something to do with how he sacrificed his restored body and thus "died" in the alchemy world. So... maybe having something to do with that.

4. One can very much survive being shot in the head, as long as the bullet doesn't penetrate the cerebellum. It appears to me though that he was mostly just shot in the side of the head, right along the left side of his face. However, if he'd been shot any higher and more to the right, his speech centers would have been permenantly damanged (he probably would have wound up with speech aphasias, that is, losing the ability to understand and produce speech). So I'm guessing it wasn't too horrible of a wound.

5. The idea of 52 episodes was not "ditched," the series has been announced as being 51 episodes for months. Not all anime series end on round season numbers.
chrononuriko on October 4th, 2004 10:23 am (UTC)
1) I think Al did learn a lesson. Despite the fact that he lost his memory I'm sure he's been told everything that happened. He's not really trying to mess with nature or anything anymore -- just trying to meet his brother again. He doesn't seem to believe that he's dead, just that he's out there somewhere. Furthermore, the Gate is related to alchemy, and therefore alchemy is a good way to open it and all...

2) Prosthetics aren't that good even in the 2000s in our world. We're just now pioneering metallic prosthetics practically attached to the body (Surgery has them implanted in and connecting them to the appropriate bone and fixing the joint and all of that, though we haven't even gone into nerve endings and such like it seems the auto-mail Winry makes does x_x)....I'm really clueless on this too. I'm gonna just assume that somehow through bringing Al back he went back into his 'old' body complete with automail or something.

3) It's not that absurd of a theory. His home is a different world, and he knows that. It's sort of far out there, but it's the best he has, you know? There's not much else he can do. And he didn't retain his powers initially. Alchemy doesn't work on the 'Our World' side of the gate, period. He didn't have them when he first crossed over it. I dunno where you get the idea that he did o_O;

4) Dunno, but yes, one can survive getting shot in the head. It's obviously an unlikely thing, but it's not impossible.

5) First time I heard of that rumor o_o;
Zranazrana on October 4th, 2004 11:42 am (UTC)
1: I think I'm repeating what others sad but... No, I don't think Al is repeating mistakes. In order to understand what happened to Ed, he HAS to know more about Alchemy. Even if he doesn't remember for himself, he has probably picked up from others around him about all the things that could go wrong if he's not thorough and stays away from imperfect experimentation. The fact that Ed isn't with him anymore is probably enough of a reminder that he has to be careful about all this. (And in other news: remember how armor!Al passed the first test when Ed got his State Alchemists license? He just didn't take the 2nd part for fear of being confiscated for research--thus Al is a smart boy, just doesn't have the hard edge that Ed had.)

2. I think we didn't get all the details on the sacrificing each other stuff. I think something REALLY complicated happened. Something like Ed gave his restored body/life to Al (but since a life for a life isn't completely equal apparently, Al also 'paid' with his memories and picked up where he left off as the 10 maybe almost 11 year old he was...). But But other stuff went on and somehow that put Ed back into a body missing limbs, and off to the other side of the gate. (Maybe when Al restored Ed, It was more like what Tucker did to make his Nina-dolls, and Eds body, although patched, was hanging out in Gate limbo..or something. hmm.. definitely SOMETHING. but what?)
Either way, Ed has crappy automail now--the shot of him reaching to the sky with the automail we're familar with was an artsy thing. I think Ed's using what HE know of automail to make due, and just keeping it covered from others in our world--he might know about the joint stuff enough to make due, but he probably doesn't know a great deal about the installation process. Automail is a technology thing, so it somewhat works for somereason, Ed's just not an automail wiz and is making do with his own repair work?
And I thought I detected the SLIGHTEST of limps as he left the building. More like the amount of time on it each step was slightly different.

3: I think Ed's working with what he has to work with. Alchemy doesn't work in our world, so he has to try something else. Maybe all sorts of complicated theories on space travel, other than just that of making fuel FOR space travel, will come into play. Stuff about what happens when people go faster than light, etc etc stuff I don't know so can't theory about etc etc.
I don't think Alchemy works there, although the gate does have to exist, is because it's the energy source place, and it has to go through the gate as some sort of 'filter'. Since he's on that side, the energy doesn't go through the filter that is the gate to get to him, thus it doesn't work. Sorta like how rivers only flow downstream.

4: I saw a guy on the Health Channel survive getting an IRON BAR completely THROUGH his head. I mean lodged ther with metal sticking out both sides. He's alive, remembers being stopped from trying to pull it out himself after it happened, and he's only lost a bit of mobility. The human form can survive the most amazing things. (I typoed and put 'thongs' first.. now everyone go imagine all the characters in fma in thongs.)

5: I think it's just that people assumed 52 eps. I can't say WHY they chose 51 for sure, but it's fun to make up reasons.
Ananomoreprinces on October 4th, 2004 01:15 pm (UTC)
5: I think it's just that people assumed 52 eps. I can't say WHY they chose 51 for sure, but it's fun to make up reasons.

If I'm not mistaken I belive that some not all broadcasters in Japan air new material during the week of New Years or during Golden Week.

If I remember right, one of those weeks didn't air FMA. Since that week of dead air would have been taken into account during the broadcast contract it was always going to be 51 episodes.

Someone from Japan can probably explain that better than me, but that's what I remember from my foggy stress clouded mind.
Marikaitou_marina on October 4th, 2004 02:17 pm (UTC)
That sounds right to me.
Ananomoreprinces on October 4th, 2004 02:29 pm (UTC)
Yay I was hoping I wasn't just talking out of my ass! ^^; I remember a lot of my fav shows taking Golden Week off this past year.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: maes hughes. fma. [indangerment] x moishinraisei on October 4th, 2004 09:03 pm (UTC)
Wow, I totally forgot all about Golden Week but that's because no one I've seen has been going "Its not airing cuz of Golden Week!" for the shows I've been following. I think for Digimon Tamers or Adventure Zero Two there was an instance like that. Can't remember all too well ^^;
Ananomoreprinces on October 4th, 2004 09:05 pm (UTC)
Off the top of my head I just remember KaleidoStar, PGSM and FMA doing that. I'm sure there were others, but I don't remember.
Zranazrana on October 4th, 2004 04:21 pm (UTC)
Or there's that, yes.

I guess I forgot about that since the other series I'm currently watching makes up for it by doing double episode weeks on occasion, but by the time I see them, the fan subbers have broken them down into the two eps they were meant to be. (like with Naruto... and then sometimes i think Naruto just does double eps every now and then, I dunno...)
Ananomoreprinces on October 4th, 2004 04:28 pm (UTC)
I know there was one double air of FMA but it was 42/43 if I remember correctly and it was some other reason not pertaining to Golden Week that the previous week's show was preempted.
Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave): Bed of Lies - lay your hands -jainarashaka on October 4th, 2004 11:44 am (UTC)
He doesn't look 10, dammit.

1. I think a year or two passed from the confrontation to when the epilogue occurs. Enough time for the government to settle down, for Roy to go from bedridden to walking, for Rose's baby to go from infant to toddler, for Al to "be reading alchemy books lately" and then later to request to be taught.

I don't think Al intends to use alchemy to bring his brother back the same way they tried with their mother-- he knows that didn't work, and he knows he lost his memory because everyone is older than him. He probably was told some amount of what happened. I think he wants to learn because he believes that alchemy is the link between himself and Edward, and even if he can't ressurrect him, he can make it work.

4. Yes, one can survive being shot in the head. It's rare, but you can. I really depends on where you are shot and how badly and what size of bullets are used.
Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on October 4th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
1) I got pissed at the Al thing too until I realized he's not foolish enough to try a human transmutation. He probably wants to learn exactly what his brother did. Which is combine all of Al's bits on the otherside of teh gate and bring him back out, people who die leave their bodies behind, Al's body, mind, and soul where all inside the gate so Ed put them together. Al probably knows that much and wants to open the gate and pull Ed out since, as far as he knows, they traded spaces.

2) The Ed thing is an odd one, it does look like he's got home made prostectics and not Winry ones.

3) I think Ed's best bet would be Einstien as far as time and space goes. But perhaps the explosive power of rockets would be enough to get to the gate? I dunno.

4) We know that Roy was on the top of stairs and Archer fired from about 10 meters (30 or so feet) away, with a pistol probably 9mm or smaller (and assuming it was a military FMJ round not hollow pointed or anything fancy) and upwards towards Roy's head.

It looks like Roy probably got screwed up a lot more then just his eye since his patch is freaking massive compared to the Furher's. So if he where to get hit right above the left eye in a thicker part of the skull that could knock him flat on his ass and send bone shards into his eye. If the bullet did make it into the skull it would be a shallow enough wound not to be deadly or cause severe brain damage. It's very possible that with Archer's battered body and Roy probably trying to dodge it wasn't a kill worth headshot.
I run on coffee and impatiencemelts on October 4th, 2004 04:16 pm (UTC)
Does Ed really believe he can reach his old world through a rocket or higher form of air/space travel?

I think I heard the name Einstein somewhere in the episode when Ed is talking with his Dad (dunno for sure, since I haven't finished dl the subbed one yet)..but if that's the case, I'm assuming that Ed is planning on using either a black hole, worm hole, or some other...scientific...hole to get back to his world by distortion of time and relativity...and all that Einstein good stuff..

reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: maes hughes. fma. [indangerment] x moishinraisei on October 4th, 2004 08:59 pm (UTC)
1. Al perhaps *knows* that he's forgotten so much (He forgot the military gang! The kitty! THE KITTY OMG! T_T). Also, it is safe to assume that he's retained the whole "Alchemy is the solution to everything" theory. I would think that by going to Dublith again Izumi will redrill the fact that you can't bring back everything and that Alchemists are not God. (Forgot if she even said that in the late-20 episodes with Menny and her cat Chico)

I say that Al moreorless looks the same way he did the day the two performed a human transmutation to get thier mum back.

2. People have been saying he was limping. I watched the scene again and, though not too obvious, it looks as if he is somewhat limping a bit but one can't be sure.

3. Because in our world Technology > Alchemy and its not widely practiced and also, it works VERY differently from what we've seen in Hagaren World. Here, its been proven that you can change lead into gold but that it takes lots of patience. In the Hagaren world, it could be to make room for extra footage or a speed-up shot when the alchemists perform alchemy. I dunno.

4. Two words. (because I'm lazy =P) Medical Prodigy.
As finell mentioned earlier, the way Archer shot Roy could've had various results (such as, direct shot through the brain, or something to like).

5. In a year of series' run it does roughly 52 episodes (54 even) I heard that BONES thought it would be possible to do 52 episdes but then as they progressed further they made it 51.
riyuen on October 5th, 2004 01:38 am (UTC)
1) I suppose because he lost his brother through alchemy? I mena, there's not really any other alternatives available for him, and alchemy seems to be the major science of the FMA world. Al would have to know he's lost four years of life - look how Winry's older then him for one. Presumably everyone who's still around would explain what they knew, but no one would know the full story of what happened, not even Rose or Wrath, so accounts would probably get patchy.

2) No idea ^^;. The fingers of Ed's automail were damaged during his fight against Wrath/Sloth with Lust - I remember him transmuting fairly useless fingers from the concrete in those episodes so he could transmute Sloth into ethanol. It may be the arm parts of his automail in London are those that Winry installed, but it came with the useless fingers he transmuted from the concrete, and since then he's tried to refine the fingers a little. But limping still doesn't explain how he's using the leg automail - the arm one seems to be hanging fairly uselessly from his side. (Although at the end with the heroic reaching for the sky...XD)

3) From what I remember, Ed couldn't do alchemy when he went through the gate the first time. The whole clapping his hands thing when the zeppelin crashed on him, and nothing happened? He could go back through the gate to Amestris, because the body he was in, in London died, and then his soul was pulled back to his actual body which was still in the gate. I believe the reason why he really can't do alchemy now (Hohenheim too) is because his whole body and soul are there, not just the soul like during the zeppelin part. What I don't understand is how Hohenheim is still alive, rotting body and all in London.

And yeah, that is a pretty crack theory of Ed's, but he seems pretty determined to get home, and you have to start somewhere. Perhaps he heard something about space travel, and discovering new worlds?
Kira Seldonkiraseldon on October 5th, 2004 09:50 am (UTC)
The big question I have: why did Al lose the last 4 years?

Was it really 'him' linked to the armor, or was it a construct pulled out of Ed's desire to have his brother back (just as he feared)? Because it would make sense for him to have lost those years if his soul & body had been pulled beyond the gate and then later recovered after the construct-Al was destroyed, but I can't think of a good reason for him not to remember if his soul was really present the whole time.