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04 October 2004 @ 08:20 am
Toure Island - Episode 51 Spoiler Warning  
In the scene where Hohenheim asks Prof. Han if he believes and magic Han talks about Toure Island, which is supposed to be the place where God dwells. Plus he gives this spiel on the Church of Toure, which sounds alot like it could be similar to the Ancient Religion talked about by Dante in earlier episodes. I am also pretty certain that I've seen the symbol of the church before in the series.

Another thing is that Izumi mentions that letter Dante wrote is dated in the A.D calendar system something not in use for 400 years. It could be that the world across the gate is the past and that Hohenheim somehow is the person that originally develops alchemy and creates Envy when Ed dies in accident. That would be a really messed up time loop.

They really left the ending open for a movie or another season.

Some of you might find this interesting particularly the dates:
http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Documents/Bios/regardie.htm

I have to go to class now but it's interesting trying to figure out if there was really a group like that. In Edinburgh, Germany as well as London there was a Temple for The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn or the Alpha et Omega.">
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Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on October 4th, 2004 06:50 am (UTC)
I think the old religion Dante was talking about was Christianity. I was under the impression it existed in Artemis, but just didn't catch on and died out 400 years prior.

I'm most concerned with the fact that Envy hates humanity and could quite possibly be in "our" world. You have Hohenhiem teaching "Magic" to people and basically being an occult authority (in this world without Alchemy anyway). We know that the Nazi party was big on the occult. We also know that Envy is good at manipulating people with or without his powers, and loves to see humanity suffer. What better a way to fuck with Hohenhiem then to manipulate it so that he helps out a group destined to be evil. Hohenhiem (and Ed) both know the horrors in store for this world they just don't know the specifics.

Also I found it interesting that Ed "doesn't trust" Einstein. As well as the fact that the master of all things rocket is Verner VonBruan, who worked with the Nazi party developing the V2 rocket, before he was brought over to the US under "Operation Paperclip" to work for our space program. Ultimately creating the Saturn V rocket and taking us to the moon.

So we have the possibility of Envy running around in 1920’s Munich (right around the time Hitler got out of jail for his failed cue) still hating humanity and Hohenhiem. Ed’s researching rockets and space travel to try and find a way home without alchemy, and Hohenhiem teaching “magic” and “occult practices” to in Germany. Talk about your Red Alert timeloops.


Anyone else find it funny that Ed doesn’t trust Einstein, the man with the theories on time and space? Perhaps he doesn’t want to believe Einstein’s theories and the impossibility of moving faster then light and the such? (I don’t know the date of his famous equation creation, but I’m assuming he’s working on it if it’s not out, and that he’s still the go-to guy for science.)
(Anonymous) on October 4th, 2004 06:50 am (UTC)
Erm, it was just bad subbing. You can't expect immature subbers with a stupid name like " sucks" to get important things right I suppose.

It's the Thule Society that Karl Haushofer was talking about. Haushofer was one of Hitler's biggest influences while he was in jail and the Thule Society is the occult german secret society that eventually became the Nazi party. It has nothing to do with the church or past in the FMA world, it's just the writers in the show nodding to real world stuff in our history that Hoenheim might have been involved in since he was stuck in our world.

Oh and Ed was going to see Hermann Oberth, who had similar ideas about rocket flight as Goddard. Interestingly, in real history Oberth released his own book about rocket flight theories in 1923 with VERY similar theories as Goddard's "A Method Of Reaching Extreme Altitudes", but he never admitted to ever having read Goddard's book first because the book simply wasn't available in Germany at that time. The writers are implying that Ed was the one who showed him Goddard's book and helped him rip Goddard off I guess. ^^;

The movie is called Conquerer of Shambhala and will take place in 1923 our world. Since they have already introduced the Thule Society and Haushofer, it'll no doubt have to do with the numberous trips the nazis/nazis-to-be made to Tibet in search of Shambhala (also known as Shangri-la) for their occult research.
Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on October 4th, 2004 06:54 am (UTC)
The Thule Society is very creepy then, since Hitler would be getting out of prison in 1924, and the movie occurs in 1923. Not to mention he tries his toppling of the German government IN Munich IN 1923.
Yuuki Hikariyuukihikari on October 4th, 2004 01:01 pm (UTC)
Ohhh this movie's going to have more 1920's history in it than you can shake a stick at *loving*

I noticed Hohenheim mentioning inflation with the apple price. In a 12 month span between 1921 and 1922 inflation was 700% in Germany ~ we just finished talking about this in MicroEcon. It's so... wonderful that they make the series so real like that.
Mike: Stabby (Hughes) [finnell1912]finnell1912 on October 4th, 2004 01:26 pm (UTC)
Ya, his mentioning the inflation was my frist hint that he was in Germany post WWI, since Germany got royally screwed in the peace treaty and the Mark was worth slightly more then dirt.
reversing the polarity of the neutron flow: maes hughes. fma. [indangerment] x moishinraisei on October 4th, 2004 08:47 pm (UTC)
Wow, I'm going to like the movie now Ò_o;

I just realized that I have never learned a thing on what happened in the 1920s....except that in 1919 with the Traité de Versailles Germany got royally fooked and was like blahh until the Nazi party gained power and suchnot.

We should get the CBE and EBE (if that's what its called in Edmn.) to put the FMA movie down for Social Studies (9, 10, 20, 30...whichever O_o) o.o;. It'd be pretty cool. (Mind, it'd still have the whole Brothers searching for one another thing going on but that's okay. Students will learn what happened in the 1920s XD)

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(Anonymous) on October 4th, 2004 06:58 am (UTC)
NO! It's NOT HANS! It's Haushofer..... grrrrrr
Poison Envy: Against all Odds [by _metamorphic]winter_ruins on October 4th, 2004 06:59 am (UTC)
I thought Han = Hans?