28 March 2006 @ 04:35 pm
Artses! :D  
The Winry picture is old-- I drew it late last year, but the date on it is last January because that's when I finally cleaned it up and dated it.

The Lust picture was drawn recently for theladyfeylene. I had some issues with her leg. XP

I would call both of these worksafe, although Winry is in her workshop-outfit of pants and bra-ish top, and Lust has got on a gypsy/harem girl outfit that shows quite a bit of skin. Everything important is covered up, though. ^^ (I'm not sure what constitutes not-worksafe-- I imagine it has to be racier, but could someone please enlighten me? ^^;; )

Gentle concrit would be much appreciated. ♥

Winry

Lust
 
 
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Am I the good one now?vampslayer04 on March 28th, 2006 11:29 pm (UTC)
From what I've heard, worksafe is generally something with no nudity. In other words, no breasts or other bits on display. I would say that these are worksafe, unless your workplace has very strict rules about internet usage, in which case even being on lj might get you in trouble. :) Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the pictures, there's something off about Winry's arms, especially the one she's holding in front of her. They look almost stiff, like she's frozen in that position. And her head looks a little small. The rest is good though and I really like the Lust picture. Don't see anything wrong with her leg, so I think you did a great job on that one.

Keep up the good work!
Imaginesimagines on March 29th, 2006 02:27 am (UTC)
Ah, I don't work yet, so anything goes for me. XD Thank you for the clarification. ^__^

I hate drawing arms. .__. But hiding them doesn't work, so I thought I'd put them out for other people to see so they could tell me what I was doing wrong. I am terrible at figuring out what's wrong without someone pointing it out. ^^;

Thank you for the suggestions. ♥ ^^
Am I the good one now?vampslayer04 on March 29th, 2006 05:10 am (UTC)
You're very welcome.
Toby: Edrussicont3h_toby_chan on March 28th, 2006 11:41 pm (UTC)
You definitely express a good concept of what you had in mind with these, but I can see some areas in which these are lacking. Most particularly in anatomical senses. For example, just seeing a picky think like Lust's proportions- Looking at just the legs of the piece, one goes "Holy heck, those are some awesome legs!" But in connection with the rest of the body, which looks squarish and considerably larger, the size and position of the legs don't fit, and lit looks as though we are viewing the legs and torso from two different angles.

Looking at the arms of both Winry and Lust here, I can spot one of the mistakes that has been prevalent in not only my own art, but in that of many amateur artists, especially those attempting anime style. I urge you to keep in mind at all times that even when you are drawing a thin 2-D object, just remember that the limbs are three dimensional shapes, (This goes for all the rest of the body as well, not even eyes excluded) and that even as 3d, they are not pipe shaped, but very contoured, curved, amassments of muscle fleshed over bone and joints. I see the lack of realism of the pose for Winry, since it looks like her arm may be disjointed, and seems to stretch too long down to the table, wherupon it bends quite awkwardly at the wrist. Looking at that, I can't quits help but think "Ouch". The hand itself also seems to suffer from the flatness syndrome.

Study isolated parts of anatomy, and I would highly reccomend trying out use of real human models as reference. It sounded silly to me at first, but it really does help a whole lot. No artist pulls perfect bodies straight from their brain (Unless they've been studying models for years and years.)
Imaginesimagines on March 29th, 2006 02:42 am (UTC)
Ooh, thank you so much for the crit! ♥ I know I have problems with proportions especially, but I can't always put my finger on what's wrong. Well, at least I can draw good legs? XD; I shall work on matching them to the rest of the body, then.

I try to keep in mind that there really aren't any straight lines in the body, but arms just look so-- STRAIGHT. :D;; Er, if you don't mind me asking, do you know of any good books or online tutorials on drawing muscles? I would LOVE to get better at muscles. Partly because I want to draw pretty boys with their shirts off. *ulterior motives* x3

Hands...geh. HATE HANDS. .__. I hide them a lot. I should stop doing that, or I will never get better at them. It seems to be a 50/50 chance that they'll look good. I have drawn really nice realistic hands by accident, and then there are *THOSE* hands... XP

I don't really have access to models-- I don't think my friends are patient enough to get into the positions I want and stay there for long periods of time. XD; I want to take a lot of art classes in college, but for now I've got to use pictures.

I used a photo reference for Lust's pose, but not for Winry's. (I hadn't realized references were such a big help when I drew Winry. ^^; ) I think Lust's pose is a bit better because of that.

Once again, thank you SO MUCH! Your comments were a big help. ^__^
Toby: Fairyt3h_toby_chan on March 29th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
I'm not sure of any books... the only actual book that really helped me with drawing was one on portraits, and that was entirely a matter of learning to observe and translate mental images accurately, not a matter of physical technique. But that technique in mind helped me immensely with pretty much everything else. The rest is pretty much just hit and miss, observation, trying and failing, discussing with other artists, practice practice practice. I've been drawing about ten years, and it took me something around eight and a half of those years to stop sucking. (I think that may have had to do with my childish maturity- convinced that I was going to be different and not listen to what anyone else had to say about technique)

For reference, use stock photos of art models. You'll find a heaping helping of them on deviantart.com (In the stock photo section); lots of really friendly generous nonprofit stock photographers who lend their photos to artists in need of material. I can link you to a few good accounts to get you started if you like. (All free, don't worry.)

I think that the main issue with figure is to draw things as you see them; not as you think you see them. Assumption is one of the biggest mistakes that artists make. We don't have photographic memories; we know that we have a nose, two eyes and a mouth, and relatively well where they go, but we don't process that correctly if we don't think of them in the right way, so even with a model right in front of us, we often get lost to assumption, and position them incorrectly.

Once you've learned that really well, you should be able to manage to BS your way through without references once in a while. And if you like to mess up the figure in a stylized manner, as many manga artists do, then go for it, but only after you learn the right way first. Learn the rules before you break them. Only then can you take on a Picasso philosophy and 'draw things as you think them, not as you see them.'

Don't use "How to draw Manga" books. Ever. They're effing useless. <3
Imaginesimagines on March 29th, 2006 04:13 am (UTC)
Ten years? Wow. I really hope I can keep at it that long. ^_^ I've learned my lesson about listening to concrit-- I've been writing fanfiction for about a year and a half, and I used to hate having my writing picked apart. (Childish maturity? What's that? >>;) I still don't like it, but I know I will only get better if I let people tell me what's wrong with my art and writing.

Oh, links would be lovely! I love browing photo sites-- they are excellent for inspiration.

The best way I've found to draw things as they are is to draw a lot of lines and erase what doesn't fit. The first place I draw an eye is almost never where it should be. XP

The more I draw, the more similar art and writing seem to me. Learn the rules before I break them, listen to concrit, and practice as much as I can....

Do you mean the "How to draw manga" series of books, or just general manga-drawing books? I once read a "Drawing Manga for Dummies" or something like that, and that was the first time it clicked that I could actually draw the base of a figure with circles and lines. That was about all I learned, though. XD
lilfmagurl on March 29th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
I think they're great ^_^ you just need to work on winry's face, thats all >w
Imaginesimagines on March 29th, 2006 02:44 am (UTC)
Thank you! ^^ I'm trying to practice profiles-- noses are difficult, and eyes, and...well, everything. XD;
Charla / Rachelcaptain_charla on March 29th, 2006 06:03 am (UTC)
I agree. The Winry is perfectly fine, besides what others have brought up. The head looks too small. XD